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In reply to the discussion: Half of Idaho's wolves gone in a year, thanks to Obama's Sect'y of the Interior [View all]Rob H.
(5,788 posts)63. "Their devastation to live-stock and wild game populations cannot be understated."
This is from an article I found about wolf populations in northwestern Montana (not Idaho, unfortunately) and the numbers re: wolves' threat to livestock don't even come close to supporting your conclusion:
The Truth About Montana Wolves Is Hard To Find
By Christina Nealson / Writers on the Range on Wed, Apr 25, 2012
I spent this winter in northwestern Montana close to the border of Idahos Panhandle, a place well known for its dense population of wolves. To hear hunters tell it, I should have seen a deer or elk skeleton every few feet on the forest floor and a lurking wolf behind every tree. Game numbers have plummeted, they claim, as they affix stickers that say SSS which stands for Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up on pickups, and don baseball caps that urge, Smoke a Pack a Day. And theyre not talking about cigarettes.
(snip)
Yet it took three months before I spotted wolf tracks and scat. It was in November, the final week of rifle season. Three months later, I saw my first wolf. Wolf signs did not become common until late-winter mating season, when scat and blood-laced urine appeared twice in one week in the high country along creek drainages.
What I saw on the ground never matched the stories I heard or read about in the newspapers, which blamed wolves for killing off the game. My experience came closer to the claim of Kent Laudon, a wolf biologist with Fish, Wildlife and Parks, who estimates that theres one wolf for every 39 square miles of game terrain in the Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks Region One in northwestern Montana. He estimates the average pack size at 6.7 animals.
...Yet the figures show that only 97 cows were killed by wolves in Montana in 2009. During that year, government statistics showed that 2.6 million cattle, including calves, lived in the state; therefore, the percentage of cattle killed by wolves was only 0.004 percent. (emphasis added)
(snip)
By its own admission, Montanas wildlife agency has oversold doe tags in the past. Laudon confirms that while a few deer herds are down in numbers, other herds are stable or increasing. A predation study is currently under way at the University of Montana. Early reports point to mountain lions, which are three times more numerous than wolves, according to Laudon, as the primary cause of elk calf deaths. Meanwhile, the state uses anecdotal sightings to help it determine wolf counts. (emphasis added)
By Christina Nealson / Writers on the Range on Wed, Apr 25, 2012
I spent this winter in northwestern Montana close to the border of Idahos Panhandle, a place well known for its dense population of wolves. To hear hunters tell it, I should have seen a deer or elk skeleton every few feet on the forest floor and a lurking wolf behind every tree. Game numbers have plummeted, they claim, as they affix stickers that say SSS which stands for Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up on pickups, and don baseball caps that urge, Smoke a Pack a Day. And theyre not talking about cigarettes.
(snip)
Yet it took three months before I spotted wolf tracks and scat. It was in November, the final week of rifle season. Three months later, I saw my first wolf. Wolf signs did not become common until late-winter mating season, when scat and blood-laced urine appeared twice in one week in the high country along creek drainages.
What I saw on the ground never matched the stories I heard or read about in the newspapers, which blamed wolves for killing off the game. My experience came closer to the claim of Kent Laudon, a wolf biologist with Fish, Wildlife and Parks, who estimates that theres one wolf for every 39 square miles of game terrain in the Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks Region One in northwestern Montana. He estimates the average pack size at 6.7 animals.
...Yet the figures show that only 97 cows were killed by wolves in Montana in 2009. During that year, government statistics showed that 2.6 million cattle, including calves, lived in the state; therefore, the percentage of cattle killed by wolves was only 0.004 percent. (emphasis added)
(snip)
By its own admission, Montanas wildlife agency has oversold doe tags in the past. Laudon confirms that while a few deer herds are down in numbers, other herds are stable or increasing. A predation study is currently under way at the University of Montana. Early reports point to mountain lions, which are three times more numerous than wolves, according to Laudon, as the primary cause of elk calf deaths. Meanwhile, the state uses anecdotal sightings to help it determine wolf counts. (emphasis added)
Maybe I shouldn't point out that bit about mountain lions--wouldn't want to give anyone any ideas about wiping them out, too.
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Half of Idaho's wolves gone in a year, thanks to Obama's Sect'y of the Interior [View all]
villager
May 2012
OP
So long as there's one teabagger in Idaho, there won't be room for even one wolf here
jmowreader
May 2012
#11
Damn, we'd better get rid of all environmental laws, then, lest we piss off the destroyers!
villager
May 2012
#94
for me, it was the selection of Salazar-the-rancher for Interior that signaled "business as usual"
villager
May 2012
#16
Why don't we just wipe out all wild life? This way human profiteers would not have anything more
sabrina 1
May 2012
#53
You probably never WILL hear a liberal person say something like that, either.
Judi Lynn
May 2012
#24
What a disgusting, horrific post. Welfare ranchers with invasive cow species are destroying
villager
May 2012
#17
actually, one reason coyote populations have expanded is because we killed off the wolves
villager
May 2012
#93
The reason kudzu is considered an invasive species is because it did not originally come
Jamastiene
May 2012
#27
i may be missing something but I don't see where it's said they died off naturally.
Kaleva
May 2012
#34
Yet we somehow managed without them for 70 years before they were artificially brought back?
LAGC
May 2012
#37
Humans can do fine without the wolves but other species of animals and plants suffered.
Kaleva
May 2012
#40
Didn't large wildfires in the early 1900's create a suitable habitat for elk to move into.
Kaleva
May 2012
#42
Whether the habitat was altered by fire or not, the elk herd was introduced by man
IDemo
May 2012
#44
Correction - the elk population at that time was in the panhandle and the eastern part of the state
IDemo
May 2012
#49
Homicide rate in US would plummet if all victims were listed as dieing of natural causes.
Kaleva
May 2012
#72
You've got to admit though that most Idahoans aren't that sympathetic to the wolf problem.
LAGC
May 2012
#51
"Their devastation to live-stock and wild game populations cannot be understated."
Rob H.
May 2012
#63
No. Sarah Palin has NEVER been right about anything unless it was a mistake.
truebrit71
May 2012
#115
We don't need high-powered rifles from helicopters. Spears and bows & arrows are quite sufficient.
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#89
Wolves...like any wild animals...are renewable resources which need to be managed.
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#74
I'm speaking of some of the posts in this thread, not the letter in the OP.
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#91
I never made any such claim. I will assert that it's cherry-picked to make wolves look adorable.
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#142
No -- not every other species on earth is a "renewable" "resource" for Lord God Man.
villager
May 2012
#92
I'm sure our canned hunt fan understands just how much we've lost and what it is still at risk.
ellisonz
May 2012
#120
I love science. Best tool ever invented to investigate and utilize the universe.
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#124
Isn't it funny how the term "fully exploited" is used instead of "fully utilized".
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#122
Given that *millions* of species have gone extinct in the last 4 billion years,
Johnny Rico
May 2012
#159
The one that supports the middle-class, Heinlein-reading lifestyle to which you are accustomed
villager
May 2012
#131
I'm already eating less meat, and buying less new stuff than you. Match that, instead of
villager
May 2012
#134
we should quit industrializing cows and chickens, for one thing, and viewing them as "products"
villager
May 2012
#160
The appointment of Ken Salazar to interior has been worse than James Watt..
truebrit71
May 2012
#106