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In reply to the discussion: 2016 may be the last time I get to vote for [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)55. Which is why CA's governor is Meg Whitman and not Jerry Brown.
Oh wait...the opposite happened.
Well, that's why the billions of outside money won the 2012 election for Mitt Romney.
Oh wait....the opposite happened.
To win you need more votes. Money can help to achieve that goal, but the effect rapidly becomes saturated.
If we win in 2016 we have a chance at changing campaign financing.
So your argument is that candidates that only won due to screwed-up campaign financing would turn around and fix campaign financing?
Yeah, and I'm sure the banks that needed bailout money are going to turn right around and fix their broken business practices without any new regulations!
We all laugh when the right says the reason they lost was because their candidate wasn't conservative enough. You are they 180 degrees out of phase.
Well, let's look at results:
Crazy right-winger loses. Crazy right wing claims they were not crazy enough, nominates and even crazier person who then loses.
2008: "Crazy" left wing (in speeches) wins.
2010: Party says "OH MY GOD I'M SORRY WE TRIED TO FIX HEALTHCARE! LOOK HOW CONSERVATIVE WE REALLY ARE!". Party loses badly.
2012: Party has to stick with supposedly "crazy" left wing and "left wing" achievements. Wins
2014: Party puts forth candidates that are so conservative they won't even admit to voting for the party's presidential candidate. Party loses badly.
Hrm....looks like a pattern. But maybe it's presidential years versus midterms
2004: Presidential candidate flees his left-wing positions, loses.
2000: Presidential candidate flees his left-wing positions, loses. (We can argue about "stolen" or not, but at best the election was close enough to steal due to Gore's ousy campaign)
1996: Booming economy, no wars. A ham sandwich could win reelection. (See: 1984)
1992: Presidential candidate runs to the right. Wins because Perot peels off libertarians from GW Bush during recession. Add Perot's results to GW Bush's (they aren't liberals) and Clinton loses badly.
Republican-lite loses. Over and over again. Will crazy liberal always win? Well, we haven't tried it since 1944, and the war kinda had an effect on that election. How 'bout we try it and see what happens, instead of repeating what loses?
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+1 It really is a long-term process, often requiring small steps. But set-backs are guaranteed
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#10
I don't think there were parties when Adams made that statement. The names of all the candidates
jwirr
Apr 2015
#25
I just realized at 73 I am likely to be in the same boat. We need to win this one on every level we
jwirr
Apr 2015
#24
Yes, I hear you. There are two goals here that both need to be met if possible. First we need to
jwirr
Apr 2015
#29
Why not wait to see what other Democrats declare, and then who actually wins
99th_Monkey
Apr 2015
#36
"I know things aren't as progressive (and) Hillary isn't as progressive as we would like"
99th_Monkey
Apr 2015
#40