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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
55. Which is why CA's governor is Meg Whitman and not Jerry Brown.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:17 AM
Apr 2015

Oh wait...the opposite happened.

Well, that's why the billions of outside money won the 2012 election for Mitt Romney.

Oh wait....the opposite happened.

To win you need more votes. Money can help to achieve that goal, but the effect rapidly becomes saturated.

If we win in 2016 we have a chance at changing campaign financing.



So your argument is that candidates that only won due to screwed-up campaign financing would turn around and fix campaign financing?

Yeah, and I'm sure the banks that needed bailout money are going to turn right around and fix their broken business practices without any new regulations!

We all laugh when the right says the reason they lost was because their candidate wasn't conservative enough. You are they 180 degrees out of phase.

Well, let's look at results:
Crazy right-winger loses. Crazy right wing claims they were not crazy enough, nominates and even crazier person who then loses.

2008: "Crazy" left wing (in speeches) wins.
2010: Party says "OH MY GOD I'M SORRY WE TRIED TO FIX HEALTHCARE! LOOK HOW CONSERVATIVE WE REALLY ARE!". Party loses badly.
2012: Party has to stick with supposedly "crazy" left wing and "left wing" achievements. Wins
2014: Party puts forth candidates that are so conservative they won't even admit to voting for the party's presidential candidate. Party loses badly.

Hrm....looks like a pattern. But maybe it's presidential years versus midterms

2004: Presidential candidate flees his left-wing positions, loses.
2000: Presidential candidate flees his left-wing positions, loses. (We can argue about "stolen" or not, but at best the election was close enough to steal due to Gore's ousy campaign)

1996: Booming economy, no wars. A ham sandwich could win reelection. (See: 1984)
1992: Presidential candidate runs to the right. Wins because Perot peels off libertarians from GW Bush during recession. Add Perot's results to GW Bush's (they aren't liberals) and Clinton loses badly.

Republican-lite loses. Over and over again. Will crazy liberal always win? Well, we haven't tried it since 1944, and the war kinda had an effect on that election. How 'bout we try it and see what happens, instead of repeating what loses?

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Amen! leftofcool Apr 2015 #1
My mom lived to 90, God Bless her... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #2
Yeah! that marym625 Apr 2015 #5
In the primary marym625 Apr 2015 #3
This is my age talking but I like to think it is upaloopa Apr 2015 #12
The difference being marym625 Apr 2015 #19
Bah...70 is the new 50 B2G Apr 2015 #4
That's what the guy on Craigslist keeps telling the women. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #27
That's how we got here. jeff47 Apr 2015 #6
+a kazillion! marym625 Apr 2015 #9
Sounds nice but you are wrong. It takes center right money to win upaloopa Apr 2015 #13
If it 'takes center right money to win' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #42
Which is why CA's governor is Meg Whitman and not Jerry Brown. jeff47 Apr 2015 #55
I hope you are well. MADem Apr 2015 #7
Like that Johnny Cash song upaloopa Apr 2015 #14
Wise words. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #8
+1 It really is a long-term process, often requiring small steps. But set-backs are guaranteed Hoyt Apr 2015 #10
I'm 71 and will vote for my principles. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #11
Repeating other people's words is nice upaloopa Apr 2015 #15
Should I be discreet and not vote for my principles? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #16
It's your vote do what you want with it. upaloopa Apr 2015 #17
Good. So will I vote for my principles. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #18
Well I don't think your principles will be on the ballot. upaloopa Apr 2015 #21
We'll see. I expect they will. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #37
What else do you have? paulbibeau Apr 2015 #58
I don't think there were parties when Adams made that statement. The names of all the candidates jwirr Apr 2015 #25
+1000 heaven05 Apr 2015 #20
I am 76 and plan to be around RebelOne Apr 2015 #22
thanks for the perspective oopaloopa! KnR secondwind Apr 2015 #23
I just realized at 73 I am likely to be in the same boat. We need to win this one on every level we jwirr Apr 2015 #24
I am not saying we should not push for upaloopa Apr 2015 #26
Yes, I hear you. There are two goals here that both need to be met if possible. First we need to jwirr Apr 2015 #29
upaloopa, you make a good point. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #28
Yes. Relax. Anything can happen between lovemydog Apr 2015 #30
I think I don't need to relax much more than I am. upaloopa Apr 2015 #35
There is a counterargument. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #39
Amen. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #57
Sometimes it's really true... world wide wally Apr 2015 #31
Yes Thespian2 Apr 2015 #32
You and me both, upaloopa. I'm only a few years younger than you, but... Hekate Apr 2015 #33
I disagree whole heartedly olddots Apr 2015 #34
Why not wait to see what other Democrats declare, and then who actually wins 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #36
I meant to speak to people who aren't going to support upaloopa Apr 2015 #38
"I know things aren't as progressive (and) Hillary isn't as progressive as we would like" 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #40
We aren't going to have a progressive upaloopa Apr 2015 #41
I know , I know 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #43
Get real! Even Bernie Sanders said what upaloopa Apr 2015 #44
I guess my point is 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #60
+1. People who claim to be "compromising" now are doing nothing of the sort. Marr Apr 2015 #59
If the GOP win in 2016, there will be no nation to host a president. The complete dissolution of the freshwest Apr 2015 #45
It depends. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #46
Time outs. joshcryer Apr 2015 #47
Leave your legacy, upaloopa…. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #48
K&R B Calm Apr 2015 #49
Funny how I draw the opposite conclusions. 99Forever Apr 2015 #50
What will the legacy of our choices be? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #51
"Political expediency?" 99Forever Apr 2015 #54
Lombardi always regretted saying that. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #52
Every time I cast a vote LWolf Apr 2015 #53
ssdd. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #56
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