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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton Praises 'Progressive Champion' Elizabeth Warren [View all]freshwest
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The only real lefty is Sanders, and Sanders and Clinton voted almost exactly the same. No daylight between them in the Senate.
Warren has not been there as long to get the record HRC and Sanders had but EW, HRC and Sanders are all on the same page. Here's a link on my reply to a question on Sanders' National Security positions which I contrasted with HRC & EW:
He has voted on the CR's that contained things he didn't like, typically Democratic. See here:
F-35 fighter planes OK at Burlington Airport.
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps.
Voted NO on cutting $221M in benefits to Filipinos who served in WWII US Army.
Voted YES on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls.
Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad.
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months.
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report.
Voted NO on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant.
Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight.
Voted NO on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists.
Voted NO on continuing military recruitment on college campuses.
Voted YES on supporting new position of Director of National Intelligence.
Voted NO on adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.
Voted NO on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Voted YES on permitting commercial airline pilots to carry guns.
Voted NO on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill.
Voted NO on deploying SDI.
End the use of anti-personnel mines.
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record.***
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11.
Repeal Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell, and reinstate discharged gays.
Non-proliferation includes disposing of nuclear materials.
Address abuses of electronic monitoring in the workplace.
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror.
These votes span a number of years. Obama agrees on most of them. But Barack is also the CinC, although if the world's demands on us in their wars calms down, he can just be what he wanted to be: POTUS.
Kucinich told us in a meeting, that BO's duties are far different than a member of Congress. DK also said Obama is a progressive and a liberal Democrat. But that his position as POTUS entailed doing a wider range of things in his job.
***Hillary has a 100% rating at SANE as well, which is one of the oldest and most well-known peace groups there is.
For details of the years of those votes and the pros and cons:
http://www.ontheissues.org/international/Bernie_Sanders_Homeland_Security.htm
A little more on his votes, and where he falls on the spectrum politically in that chart***:
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Sanders is a Hard-Core Liberal per their chart, which is not strictly anti-war. Sanders is like FDR, who even like Orwell, weren't strictly anti-war. But not for war for profit or religion as the GOP is.
The link says Sanders votes as an average Democrat. That is why he should run as candidate for the Democratic Party.
***HRC's part on the chart is the same as Sanders, but Clinton is a Liberal Populist.
Many say that about Warren, whose chart shows she is less liberal than HRC, FWIW:
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http://ballotpedia.org/Elizabeth_Warren
Note that on National Security, HRC's and Sanders' were virtually the same on may issues:
Voted NO on cutting $221M in benefits to Filipinos who served in WWII US Army. (Apr 2008)
Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Federalize aviation security. (Nov 2001)
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record. (Dec 2003)
She said she supported what has been hailed this year by PBO. I am uncertain when she said this, but it perhaps it was Secretary of State. We must remember though, that Obama's job is quite different from anyone else's in government. HRC said on Iran:
Im relieved that the intelligence community has reached this conclusion, but I vehemently disagree with the president that nothings changed and therefore nothing in American policy has to change. I have for two years advocated diplomatic engagement with Iran, and I think thats what the president should do.
Not too hawkish there. Here's more:
VoteMatch Responses
Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)
Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale)
Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+2 points on Social scale)
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)**
Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-3 points on Economic scale)
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Opposes topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(+2 points on Social scale)
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Make taxes more progressive
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+2 points on Social scale)
Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale)

Sources:
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/hillary_clinton.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026396578#post44
**Is it the cause of some of the heat directed at her at DU?
That's just a few things from the compilation by NYC Liberal. Perhaps you can see how HRC and Bernie match up by googling more.
I don't see that much difference, both have negatives with some and both have positives in terms of electability. I won't give into what the GOP wants us to FEEL, since most I read is about feelings by a filter installed by a generation of GOP propaganda.
What I see are more similarities than media hyped differences. They are both, when all is said and done, typical of a liberal Democrat and great people personally, and they don't attack each other. I won't fall into the GOP media game.