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In reply to the discussion: Bill Maher is really turning into a vile racist [View all]One of the 99
(2,280 posts)346. Not foolish with all the time and effort you're putting into
making excuses for Maher's racist comments.
I just don't like lousy, uninformed arguments, is all.
If you don't, why don't you call out Maher on his lousy, uninformed arguments about Islam as Reza Aslan pointed out.
Will you hold Bill Maher to the same standard or continue to make excuses for his lousy, uninformed arguments?
I'll also point out that the "Maher can't be a racist because he has a black girlfriend" was a lousy, uniformed argument.
But see, I don't do that, because making those kinds of personal "swipes" as a way to try to negate a person's comments is a cheap move. It reflects poorly on the person making the accusation.
I'm sorry that African Americans (and I'm getting the strong sense that you aren't one and don't know many, either) don't care to share with you their experience and views vis a vis their religious life, but I invite to wander into any AME church and call the Reverend running the joint by his first name. See what kind of reception you get.
Wow first you say you don't take personal swipes, then you take a personal swipe.
Your doubling down on this matter is uninformed, frankly and your lecturing tone a bit of a hoot. I will leave it at that because the only way you can learn is to go get some experience. If you can't manage to get some in real life,
More personal swipes. Thought you didn't do that.
turn on Sharpton and listen to how many of his guests call him Reverend. Even when they get casual with him, they call him Reverend Al. It's a title that matters in the community and I get the strong impression that you don't have any roots in it (fwiw, I do).
The difference being that Al Sharpton is a Reverend, Michael Eric Dyson is not. So how is it appropriate to call Dyson "Reverend" or any other African-American who is not. It is a belittling comment that Maher only says to African-Americans, never to his white guests.
You don't speak for all atheists
And neither do you.
some atheists DO hate religion, and some of them have said as much right here on DU. And it's their right to hold that opinion, too, even if some might find it harsh.
Maybe some do. But most that I've known don't. And I never said that they didn't have a right to their opinion.
There's no way Maher's attitudes can be "factually" anything--they're his opinions, after all. He's entitled to them. If you don't like them, pick up the remote and change the channel.
Sure he his. But then I'm entitled to call him out for his racism and bigotry.
And you keep bringing up that "racism" word--again, Islam is not a race. Neither is "Arab." People of every race and ethnicity are both Muslims AND Arabs. It's as easy to be an Arab as it is to be an American--all you have to do is be raised in the culture and the region, and speak the language. Boom--you're an Arab. Being Arab is not about the Muslim religion, because plenty of Arabs are Christians, Jews, and other faiths or none at all.
And as I have pointed out it is not just his lousy, uniformed comments about Islam it is also racist comments to and about African-Americans. To end racism and bigotry, we have to call it out where ever is comes from and not excuse or deny it from people we like.
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One cannot be 'racist' against Islam (or any other religion) as Islam is not a race. Bigoted,
kelly1mm
Apr 2015
#9
Perhaps if the poster would have used the correct term so many of the posters in this thread
kelly1mm
Apr 2015
#31
Only in America, and even then the overwhelming majority stick with their inherited religion
Hekate
Apr 2015
#32
Yes but Muslim is not a race, it is a religion chosen by people of all races, Muslims are not all
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#181
I am prettty sure he has bad feelings about any muslims, or at least extreamist muslims of
kelly1mm
Apr 2015
#157
What makes you pretty sure of that? Have you heard him discuss any group but Muslims who are Arabs
merrily
Apr 2015
#162
Yes. Specifically Indian muslims in terroist attacks in Mumbai and Nigerian muslims that took
kelly1mm
Apr 2015
#166
Mexican is not a race. Mexican refers to a person from Mexico and/or with Mexican
kelly1mm
Apr 2015
#169
It's called a nationality. Just like there is no Canadian or Jamaican race. This "didn’t just
Guy Whitey Corngood
Apr 2015
#194
It's not on the Internet. I grew up in Puerto Rico and we were taught about nationalities and races.
Guy Whitey Corngood
Apr 2015
#210
Arabs often refer to themselves as a race. I'm not inclined to tell them they're wrong
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#40
What? You should think about deleting THAT post--that's a nasty call out, and there's nothing in
MADem
Apr 2015
#48
You don't challenge her in the context of the comments. You ignore her remarks about the
MADem
Apr 2015
#63
DNA will tell you very clearly where you're from, and the percentages of your heritage.
MADem
Apr 2015
#75
You didn't tear a hole in anything except your own sad insistence, despite Arabs telling you
MADem
Apr 2015
#95
Yeah, sure they have. Arab is not a race--go read that link by Arabs telling you so. nt
MADem
Apr 2015
#131
A ten year old article about billboards that showed racist pictures of Arabs doesn't really
MADem
Apr 2015
#108
I see. So you've decided to annul the entire point of your argument starting from Post #26
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#123
Arabs have also told me otherwise, and you are not worth anything as a tie-breaker
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#133
So why, if people get to decide what they are, doesn't everybody put "African American" on their
MADem
Apr 2015
#134
Keep digging that hole--now we're on to "brainless?" What other insults can you come up with?
MADem
Apr 2015
#170
Why did you, in #26, leap on the use in #3 of 'racist' to refer to Islam, then?
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#151
Yes, your views are *inconsistent* - I read them, and am now pointing out to you
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#186
Ignore is your friend--use it.Since this is not your thread, your nannying is inappropriate at best.
MADem
Apr 2015
#190
It's not your thread, either. So your nannying in #26 was inappropriate at best
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#199
People who are "America-centric" can't believe that there are other places in the world that are
MADem
Apr 2015
#361
If you aren't taking the rather basic point, I'm sorry that I can't help you further. nt
MADem
Apr 2015
#209
Yes, those whites can now ask for minority diversity consideration on their college applications
MADem
Apr 2015
#313
No, it was intended as a reply to your post, averring a "cultural" imperative to the matter under
MADem
Apr 2015
#320
Why should anyone drag old shit over here, instead of confronting it in the thread?
MADem
Apr 2015
#124
Well, this thread is about what a "racist" Bill Maher is because he had a spirited conversation
MADem
Apr 2015
#142
Sometimes when it's obvious bigotry, I don't bother asking what they mean...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2015
#156
Because you don't hire people you hate, and you don't work w/them on projects, certainly.
MADem
Apr 2015
#289
No, I'm telling you that you don't get to tell other people what they are and are not
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#53
What's a struggle is encountering someone with such antiquated views on race and ethnicity in the
MADem
Apr 2015
#62
Like you dictate to Arabs--even after they tell you "Arab is not a race" -- that Arab is a race?
MADem
Apr 2015
#100
People DO get to choose their gender identity. They don't get to choose their race.
MADem
Apr 2015
#132
I don't know th an american organization founded by an American politician gets to determine what an
merrily
Apr 2015
#160
Plenty of references to "Semitic race" existed anyway, and were intended to encompass
merrily
Apr 2015
#177
That was a misuse of the term; I believe it originated in (not Jew-friendly) Germany.
MADem
Apr 2015
#188
The idea that MADem does not get to determine someone's identity for them is not false
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#129
In my experience he would identify himself as an "arab", not "black" or African".
CJCRANE
Apr 2015
#293
Yes, I do get to tell people that. Because they are not a race, any more than Hispanics or
MADem
Apr 2015
#60
The American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee has a problem with your assertion.
MADem
Apr 2015
#82
"Arab is NOT a race." Good grief, even when Arabs concerned with the way people discriminate
MADem
Apr 2015
#89
Because "Scootaloo" is going to dictate to Arabs all about their culture and heritage.
MADem
Apr 2015
#96
Yeah, it IS up to the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. They've tried to tell you
MADem
Apr 2015
#103
According to fundamentalists, yes--because his father would not be viewed as an atheist.
MADem
Apr 2015
#282
I love Chris Rock, who like Maher is a comic. Chris, who is not a bigot, does in fact use the word
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#196
Excuse me, I did not sugest you were trying to censor anyone, that's uncalled for bullshit.
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#238
You introduced Sterling into this conversation--a man who doesn't have a talk show and, near as any
MADem
Apr 2015
#325
He said nothing racist--"Islam" is not a race. It's a religion practiced by people of all races.
MADem
Apr 2015
#332
This isn't about me, and no, I don't "work for Maher." What a foolish assumption.
MADem
Apr 2015
#345
I have no idea why you "should" do anything--and you disproved nothing! Buh-bye! nt
MADem
Apr 2015
#374
I used to think he hated all religion equally but he is definitely an Islamaphobe.
hrmjustin
Apr 2015
#18
Bill Maher's shtick is getting old. As for Fareed Z, he is an intelligent and thoughtful man....
Hekate
Apr 2015
#33
Joel, YOU WON THIS THREAD! It was funny for a bit, then it revealed a saddening reality. nt
TheBlackAdder
Apr 2015
#200
A bigot is someone who hates a person because of something intrinsic to that person
kcr
Apr 2015
#212
Bingo. It's amazing how people will twist and turn to make this something sinister.
arcane1
Apr 2015
#253
Bill Maher used to be an entertainer. He's no longer entertaining. The end. (nt)
Paladin
Apr 2015
#165
You better tell that to the swiftly sold out concert hall full of people coming to see him this week
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#198
Of course I respect your personal taste and nothing I said suggested otherwise. You did not
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#226
Where is the judgement? I'm asking you what comics you find funny. You have no respect for me
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#234
Wow. There was no discussion to end, just you pontificating and making personal attacks at me.
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#240
Bills audience will certainly let you know whose side they're on by the applause.
Stellar
Apr 2015
#174
My gawd, what a stupid thread. Who gives a shit, anyway? Wasting all this time and energy
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2015
#237
Zakaria is a conservative. It's unusal to see a Union avatar endorsing his Union busting ass.
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#242
Hey, Straight Person, the 'semantics' of that which is a choice and that which is an inborn
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#308
No, he's not. Fareed Zakaria was saying it's Bill's job to change the minds of people about Muslims
beaglelover
Apr 2015
#307
Ha ha ha --Cap "If they nail me, I'm taking ALL OF YOU BASTARDS DOWN WITH ME" Weinberger!!!!
MADem
Apr 2015
#339
Why are you so afraid of Bill Maher that you have to make up crap about him? Is
B Calm
Apr 2015
#353
So what else is new? BM has been showin his true racist colors for a while now.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#376