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GliderGuider

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68. Speaking of "evolution"...
Sun May 6, 2012, 04:07 PM
May 2012

I'm chewing my way through this essay, and came on these paragraphs that seem appropriate to this discussion:

THE CULTURAL DYNAMICS OF EMPIRE

In viewing the cultural change that has occurred since we were all forager/hunters, we confront the myth of "man's evolution." There is the linear concept of biological, "genetic," evolution and a corollary concept of "social evolution." The picture is that "man the toolmaker" has laboriously evolved, socially, by his inventions. First the rocks were chipped for tools, then the bow and arrow, then agriculture and now computers. In order to logically justify this linear concept, those farthest back on the linear path must be understood to have been in much worse condition than we are today. In this myth, we, today, in the richest industrial countries are at the forefront of social evolution. We are the most "evolved." The emphasis is that we laboriously "invented" agriculture as an escape from the previous, less satisfactory condition. This is the standard myth. Others seek to use other functional reasons in addition, to explain why humans became civilized. Other theories to explain what influenced this cultural change are a rising population of forager/hunters that may have forced farming intensification or that the worldwide die-off of large mammals after the last ice age forced forager/hunters into agricultural intensification and a sedentary way of life.

The standard measure in the field of anthropology is that forager/hunters today, as in the past, spend an average of 500 hours per year per adult person in subsistence activities, the traditional villager spends 1,000 hours and of course the modern 40 hour week amounts to 2,000 hours per year. As anthropologist John Bodley so ably points out, this presents a problem for the linear concept, namely why would the forager/hunters opt for a system in which twice as much time would be taken up with subsistence? He points out that there are examples where village agriculturists have actually returned to forager/hunter life styles when the opportunity presented itself.5 The linear concept would argue also that humans "discovered" agriculture somehow, as if foragers with their intimate knowledge of the natural world did not know that plants grow from seeds!

The big myth, which we are confronting in this essay, is the myth that says that there has been a qualitative advancement with the change from forager/hunter culture to civilization. We have already seen that only ten of the countries in the world exceed the protein intake of the !Kung Bushmen. This means that most of the civilized people of the world can't even feed themselves to the level of the forager/hunters and this is no doubt true for most of the people (other than the elites) in history who have lived in "civilization." Civilization actually represents a lowering of living standards, using the values of longevity, food, labor and health for most people outside of the elite class. Only by restricting our view to "inventions," could we say that there has been a linear progression. We live in a world where starvation is increasing. It is a world of myth where millions and soon hundreds of millions, die of starvation and we still say we are making "progress" by counting the number of devices created. This may be the ultimate of materialism (the belief that material objects are the ultimate value), that as billions die on a dying planet, we say that we have made great progress because we invented airplanes, computers, satellites and we went to the moon in a rocket ship.

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This. hunter May 2012 #1
Right RobertEarl May 2012 #2
"Think of collapse as a new beginning." LORDY, I got flamed for saying the same thing. Zalatix May 2012 #3
I can see your point chervilant May 2012 #6
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Time? Time is nothing RobertEarl May 2012 #32
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describe a 'soul' RobertEarl May 2012 #36
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no RobertEarl May 2012 #43
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heh RobertEarl May 2012 #71
Here's one for you. Is the universe really expanding, or is everything in it just shrinking? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #72
Is the universe really expanding, or is everything in it just shrinking? RobertEarl May 2012 #78
Evolution, or devolution? flvegan May 2012 #4
"evolution as a species"? That sounds biological muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #5
Actually, chervilant May 2012 #7
It's because you say "as a species" muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #12
Leave no nit un-picked... GliderGuider May 2012 #13
The 'nit' is in the thread title muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #15
"things are going to be very different" can be a very valuable message GliderGuider May 2012 #16
Furthermore, chervilant May 2012 #20
Well, now, chervilant May 2012 #19
It's easily arguable muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #23
Wow. chervilant May 2012 #25
Read your OP again muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #29
Butting in here RobertEarl May 2012 #34
Nuclear war could count for your 1st point; but that wasn't in the OP muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #38
Extinction? RobertEarl May 2012 #42
You, in reply #2: "if humans go extinct" muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #45
You are the first in this thread, geez RobertEarl May 2012 #48
You're the one nitpicking over the use of a noun versus a verb, or synonyms muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #50
What a great time to be alive! GliderGuider May 2012 #8
My absolute FAVE ending of a movie! n/t chervilant May 2012 #9
Same here. By the way GliderGuider May 2012 #10
Indeed!! chervilant May 2012 #21
+1000 Wind Dancer May 2012 #11
Thank you. chervilant May 2012 #17
The longer I live the more convinced I am that Gene Roddenberry hifiguy May 2012 #14
Having been a geek child, chervilant May 2012 #18
sometimes I get episodes of paralyzing fear about these things Whisp May 2012 #22
I think our problem in this arena is a lack of evolution. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #24
Compared to every other species Rittermeister May 2012 #39
As long as we set the criteria for judgment, you're right. OTOH, I think Douglas Adams Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #46
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Despite the questionable source, chervilant May 2012 #28
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As with ANY data chervilant May 2012 #31
Sorry, I'm laughing too hard to post a response Zalatix May 2012 #35
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Okay, I'm done busting a gut here. In all seriousness, here is why you are so wrong. Zalatix May 2012 #49
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Denial is your friend. Zalatix May 2012 #74
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Wait, you don't recall saying this? Zalatix May 2012 #79
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uh, yeah, just like greenhouse gases are relevant only to greenhouses. Zalatix May 2012 #81
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I'm not putting any words in your mouth. Zalatix May 2012 #83
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I believe civilization as we run it now is unsustainable. Zalatix May 2012 #86
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what you fail to understand is, it's not a question of a train wreck. The train IS the wreck. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #77
I will never understand the need people feel to insist that whatever their situation is 4th law of robotics May 2012 #37
I agree. a medieval peasant would love to have our problems. Odin2005 May 2012 #44
It's also becoming more backward, less communal. and less habitable. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #47
Well, now, chervilant May 2012 #51
When people talk about saving the earth, they're really talking about saving us. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #55
Wow! chervilant May 2012 #57
We still have time to make it better. raouldukelives May 2012 #52
Indeed, yes. chervilant May 2012 #53
K&R to read when I get back later! sabrina 1 May 2012 #54
Nature abhors the steady state FarCenter May 2012 #56
And extinction? chervilant May 2012 #58
While extinction is possible, it is not very probable FarCenter May 2012 #59
Yeah, chervilant May 2012 #63
and not just our extinction dana_b May 2012 #60
Lots more species have come and gone before humans appeared in the very recent past. FarCenter May 2012 #61
of course dana_b May 2012 #66
Which confirms that evolution really doesn't have a direction. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #62
Agreed. chervilant May 2012 #64
Lol, and we are just a blip in the timeline of life. Our existence is so short on the timeline of sabrina 1 May 2012 #65
Backatcha! chervilant May 2012 #67
Speaking of "evolution"... GliderGuider May 2012 #68
I think you would appreciate chervilant May 2012 #69
Oh yeah! I go all over smiles when I read Sahlins. GliderGuider May 2012 #75
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