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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine: The Truth [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)40. President Obama is trying for peace. Others in government, not so much.
Hersh: Cheney Left A Stay Behind In Obamas Government, Can Still Control Policy Up To A Point
BY MATT CORLEY
POSTED ON MARCH 31, 2009 AT 4:40 PM
In an interview on NPRs Fresh Air yesterday, host Terry Gross asked investigative journalist Seymour Hersh if, as he continues to investigate the Bush administration, more people were coming forward to talk to him now that the president and vice president are no longer in power. Hersh replied that though a lot of people that had told me in the last year of Bush, call me next, next February, not many people had talked to him. He implied that they were still scared of Cheney.
Are you saying that you think Vice President Cheney is still having a chilling effect on people who might otherwise be coming forward, asked Gross. Ill make it worse, answered Hersh, adding that he believes Cheney put people back in government to stay behind in order to tell him whats going on and perhaps even do sabotage:
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The idea that Cheney would seed the government with trusted contacts is not surprising. As Hersh noted in his talk with Gross, Cheney has been around forever and understands bureaucracy much better than almost anyone in government. In 2006, Robert Dreyfuss reported for The American Prospect that when Cheney helped staff the Bush administration in 2001, he put together a corps of hard-line acolytes that served as his eyes and ears in the federal bureaucracy. Former officials called them Dick Cheneys spies.
Additionally, before leaving office, the Bush administration aggressively placed political appointees into permanent civil service positions as part of a process known as burrowing. Some of the burrowed former political appointees have close ties to Cheney, such as Jeffrey T. Salmon, who was a speechwriter for Cheney when he served as defense secretary. In July, he was named deputy director for resource management in the Energy Departments Office of Science.
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/03/31/37200/hersh-cheney-behind/
BY MATT CORLEY
POSTED ON MARCH 31, 2009 AT 4:40 PM
In an interview on NPRs Fresh Air yesterday, host Terry Gross asked investigative journalist Seymour Hersh if, as he continues to investigate the Bush administration, more people were coming forward to talk to him now that the president and vice president are no longer in power. Hersh replied that though a lot of people that had told me in the last year of Bush, call me next, next February, not many people had talked to him. He implied that they were still scared of Cheney.
Are you saying that you think Vice President Cheney is still having a chilling effect on people who might otherwise be coming forward, asked Gross. Ill make it worse, answered Hersh, adding that he believes Cheney put people back in government to stay behind in order to tell him whats going on and perhaps even do sabotage:
HERSH: Ill make it worse. I think hes put people left. Hes put people back. They call it a stay behind. Its sort of an intelligence term of art. When you leave a country and, you know, youve driven out the, you know, youve lost the war. You leave people behind. Its a stay behind that you can continue to contacts with, to do sabotage, whatever you want to do. Cheneys left a stay behind. Hes got people in a lot of agencies that still tell him whats going on. Particularly in defense, obviously. Also in the NSA, theres still people that talk to him. He still knows whats going on. Can he still control policy up to a point? Probably up to a point, a minor point. But hes still there. Hes still a presence.
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The idea that Cheney would seed the government with trusted contacts is not surprising. As Hersh noted in his talk with Gross, Cheney has been around forever and understands bureaucracy much better than almost anyone in government. In 2006, Robert Dreyfuss reported for The American Prospect that when Cheney helped staff the Bush administration in 2001, he put together a corps of hard-line acolytes that served as his eyes and ears in the federal bureaucracy. Former officials called them Dick Cheneys spies.
Additionally, before leaving office, the Bush administration aggressively placed political appointees into permanent civil service positions as part of a process known as burrowing. Some of the burrowed former political appointees have close ties to Cheney, such as Jeffrey T. Salmon, who was a speechwriter for Cheney when he served as defense secretary. In July, he was named deputy director for resource management in the Energy Departments Office of Science.
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/03/31/37200/hersh-cheney-behind/
Explains a lot, especially the continuing influence of neoconservatives. One name to pay attention to is Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, who is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan
Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan
Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan
Brilliant people, big ideas, and a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.
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Octafish
Apr 2015
#47
The article reveals nothing except the childish, escapist fantasies of the author.
DetlefK
Apr 2015
#6
No need for ad hominem. Gary Leupp is a professor of history. The guy tells the truth as he sees it.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#8
Oi. That's my point: It seems he intentionally left information out of the discussion.
DetlefK
Apr 2015
#12
Please explain then why Ukrainian fascists killed upwards of 250,000 Ukrainian Jews during
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#16
Even that is giving it too much credit. It's the latest apologia for Putin's war of aggression.
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#21
I'm her even more evil identical triplett. The other two are amateurs when it comes to villainy.
DetlefK
Apr 2015
#27
Does it matter if NATO's expansion is aimed at invading/weakening Russia or is a decision by small
pampango
Apr 2015
#7
STill waiting for the commie hordes to burst into Ukraine like i was told was imminent 6 mos ago.
KG
Apr 2015
#20
NATO is a tool of Empire. If you are in the 'Ownership' class, you got a piece of it.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#41
over 700 military bases all over the world-spends more on its war budget than the rest of the world
EX500rider
Apr 2015
#60
And a lot of that money was spent on humanitarian type aid like vaccinations. It's been in the
okaawhatever
Apr 2015
#31
Except he insinuates that the $5 billion was invested explicitly for regime change in 2014.
Tommy_Carcetti
Apr 2015
#48
Just because that's what you want to argue doesn't make it the point of Leupp's essay.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#50
'I continue to be stunned at how people who oppose war by the US work so hard to justify Russian war
Octafish
Apr 2015
#43
How nice of you to imply I'm pro-Russia when it comes to warmongering. Thank you, no.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#62
"Don't worry if you can't think how it applies to the present situation in Ukraine:"
NuclearDem
Apr 2015
#63