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53. Putin didn't lie America into war on Iraq.

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Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:39 AM

Apr 2015

Twice, a "president" Bush did.

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Ukraine: The Truth [View all] Octafish Apr 2015 OP

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Must read! malaise Apr 2015 #1

Fracking Planet Earth for Fun and Profit Octafish Apr 2015 #3

True. The juggernaut is American. elias49 Apr 2015 #2

The juggernaut is corporate... Orsino Apr 2015 #4

Keeps getting updated and repackaged, ready for October roll-outs. Octafish Apr 2015 #5

Hillary Clinton Calls For Greater Military Assistance And Financial Aid For Ukraine Octafish Apr 2015 #47

The article reveals nothing except the childish, escapist fantasies of the author. DetlefK Apr 2015 #6

No need for ad hominem. Gary Leupp is a professor of history. The guy tells the truth as he sees it. Octafish Apr 2015 #8

No need for appeal-to-authority. And my argument still stands. DetlefK Apr 2015 #9

No appeal to authority. He's the author of the article. Octafish Apr 2015 #11

Oi. That's my point: It seems he intentionally left information out of the discussion. DetlefK Apr 2015 #12

Right. Like the time you wrote me: 'Don't worry your pretty little head off.' Octafish Apr 2015 #15

I don't remember why I wrote that. I guess it was sarcasm. DetlefK Apr 2015 #17

So that's why you want to 'argue' what Leupp left out. Octafish Apr 2015 #19

Sigh. What the... Are you serious? DetlefK Apr 2015 #24

"Professor of history" NuclearDem Apr 2015 #32

You try to make it sound like a bad thing. Octafish Apr 2015 #35

I'm not making anything sound bad. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #36

His title is Professor of History. Octafish Apr 2015 #37

...and you left out that he specializes in Tokugawa era Japanese history. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #38

Professors of history know how to write accurately about history. Octafish Apr 2015 #39

Let me fix that: NuclearDem Apr 2015 #42

Fix all you want. You're still doing all you can to discredit Leupp. Octafish Apr 2015 #44

Who the hell is discrediting anybody? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #46

Key Words 4Q2u2 Apr 2015 #52

Putin didn't lie America into war on Iraq. Octafish Apr 2015 #53

No shit! NuclearDem Apr 2015 #54

Anything to add, besides sideshow, NuclearDem? Octafish Apr 2015 #55

So, answer me this, Octafish. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #57

Once Again 4Q2u2 Apr 2015 #58

Our President now is Obama 4Q2u2 Apr 2015 #56

You sound like I have to be a John Bircher to make sense. Octafish Apr 2015 #59

Significant parts of Europe are American pawns since the end of WW2 malaise Apr 2015 #10

And Russia is pissed that its former pawns rather join NATO. DetlefK Apr 2015 #14

Please explain then why Ukrainian fascists killed upwards of 250,000 Ukrainian Jews during KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #16

What? That has nothing to do with what I said. DetlefK Apr 2015 #18

Anti-soviet partisans didn't have much choice. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #33

Even that is giving it too much credit. It's the latest apologia for Putin's war of aggression. stevenleser Apr 2015 #21

Victoria Nuland? Is that you? MattSh Apr 2015 #25

I'm her even more evil identical triplett. The other two are amateurs when it comes to villainy. DetlefK Apr 2015 #27

The Nuland Corollary. You win. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #49

Does it matter if NATO's expansion is aimed at invading/weakening Russia or is a decision by small pampango Apr 2015 #7

Great question. All people should be protected from authoritarianism. Octafish Apr 2015 #13

Bingo. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #30

STill waiting for the commie hordes to burst into Ukraine like i was told was imminent 6 mos ago. KG Apr 2015 #20

I've begun to hide under my desk Oilwellian Apr 2015 #23

One thing I've noticed in watching debates on foriegn policy.. Xolodno Apr 2015 #22

President Obama is trying for peace. Others in government, not so much. Octafish Apr 2015 #40

thanks for the post guillaumeb Apr 2015 #26

NATO is a tool of Empire. If you are in the 'Ownership' class, you got a piece of it. Octafish Apr 2015 #41

over 700 military bases all over the world-spends more on its war budget than the rest of the world EX500rider Apr 2015 #60

Dueling citations? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #64

Lie. Rinse. Repeat. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #28

I'll help with the debunking of the oft repeated nonsense.. EX500rider Apr 2015 #29

And a lot of that money was spent on humanitarian type aid like vaccinations. It's been in the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #31

No opinion at all. Leupp quotes Nuland's own words. Octafish Apr 2015 #45

Except he insinuates that the $5 billion was invested explicitly for regime change in 2014. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #48

Just because that's what you want to argue doesn't make it the point of Leupp's essay. Octafish Apr 2015 #50

Leupp's words. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #51

You apparently missed the leaked documents out of the Kremlin BainsBane Apr 2015 #34

'I continue to be stunned at how people who oppose war by the US work so hard to justify Russian war Octafish Apr 2015 #43

You're sick of warmongering for the US BainsBane Apr 2015 #61

How nice of you to imply I'm pro-Russia when it comes to warmongering. Thank you, no. Octafish Apr 2015 #62

"Don't worry if you can't think how it applies to the present situation in Ukraine:" NuclearDem Apr 2015 #63