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MineralMan

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20. Hmm...So, you think there hasn't been change during

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:07 PM

Apr 2015

Obama's presidency. Really? How odd.

There would have been more of it, of course, if the Republicans hadn't gotten control of the House and then the Senate in mid-term elections, I suppose. We really need to help our Democratic Presidents by helping them get Congresses that will send progressive bills to them to be signed. We don't seem to do that very well.

Still, millions of people now have health insurance who couldn't get it before. LGBT folks are about to see marriage equality become universal. Economic programs have led to a recovery from the GWB Recession. We're not fighting the same wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with all of those combat troops in place. I could go on, of course, but we all know about the changes that have occurred since Obama was elected. They're sort of embarrassing for some, I suppose, so I won't belabor the point.

Perhaps you're misreading the mood of the public. I'm guessing that's the case. Let's hear what Hillary Clinton has to say, shall we? You won't believe her, but maybe others will. They vote, too, you know.

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Wall Street�s Hillary Problem: She Is Becoming A Thorn In Their Side [View all] WillTwain Apr 2015 OP

I have to admit, TDale313 Apr 2015 #1

She may surprise lots of us. WillTwain Apr 2015 #2

I'll give you that Hillary is at least attempting to rebrand herself & sound a bit more like Elizabeth. It's a good start, but she has a long way to go... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #5

If she keeps this up and it will be a landslide. WillTwain Apr 2015 #8

I know many thinks Hillary is following EW but look where she was on issues and the year. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #39

This is 2015 not 2009. All that matters is what she would do now. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #90

That is not the point of my post, there has been comments made of Hillary talking Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #118

its not a "rebrand" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #76

She is not surprising me at all. This is who she is, not some RW talking point that some here listen winstars Apr 2015 #37

You must admit she has a checkered past. WillTwain Apr 2015 #38

Yeah real checkered. She tried to do health care 20 years ago she was very graceful when her husband winstars Apr 2015 #42

bringing out the sexism card I see. This is going to be one nasty, ugly, name calling liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #44

Why does everything need to devolve to sexism or racism? WillTwain Apr 2015 #48

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #83

But we are not all racist or sexist. WillTwain Apr 2015 #86

I like her bad ass attitude. My wife is the same way. upaloopa Apr 2015 #78

agree....its no rebrand... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #77

It is Kabuki Theater, designed to fool the Rubes. bvar22 Apr 2015 #95

Bvar22 strikes again WillTwain Apr 2015 #96

Exactly. It actually reminds me of something from that Bob Altemeyer book on Marr Apr 2015 #109

It means, at the very least, that winds from that direction are being perceived. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #111

But they must like that she hasn't spoken out against the TPP this week! cascadiance Apr 2015 #3

I think they are genuinely pissed about the rhetoric. WillTwain Apr 2015 #4

Exactly. Populist rhetoric during a campaign does not impress me. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #6

The really sad thing? TDale313 Apr 2015 #54

" There's a part of me that's grateful even for the pandering." WillTwain Apr 2015 #62

But how many Presidential candidates talk about helping the middle class? All of them. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #71

When you look back at the powerful pro-labor speeches from our guys in 2008, WillTwain Apr 2015 #74

You have a point... TDale313 Apr 2015 #88

So you're say that there is nothing she can do to convince you? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #85

Yes ... It's a conspiracy! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #84

I think many people are going to be surprised at MineralMan Apr 2015 #7

A lot of voters were motivated by a "Hope and Change" promises campaign by Obama... cascadiance Apr 2015 #10

As you say, the TPP is key. WillTwain Apr 2015 #18

Hmm...So, you think there hasn't been change during MineralMan Apr 2015 #20

He made it sound like he would undo "free trade" treaties during his campaign... cascadiance Apr 2015 #32

So, what practical, attainable suggestion do you have for 2016? MineralMan Apr 2015 #34

Don't hold your breath... this is getting so boring here. Maybe Robert Redford in "The Candidate" winstars Apr 2015 #43

Reinstate Glass Steagall One_Life_To_Give Apr 2015 #58

How are any of the 2016 candidates going to do that MineralMan Apr 2015 #61

I may be mistaken, but don't all of those wishes have to pass through a venomous Congress? libdem4life Apr 2015 #79

I was born and raised a Right Wing Republican. I Chose to become a Liberal Democrat in college. libdem4life Apr 2015 #81

Exactly, and no presidential candidate can promise any such thing. MineralMan Apr 2015 #91

Hillary needs to be questioned on this stuff. WillTwain Apr 2015 #64

She'll hold many of them. She'll also make many speeches. MineralMan Apr 2015 #92

MM, I never said that. WillTwain Apr 2015 #94

You know, I'm not sure she's thinking much about the left MineralMan Apr 2015 #99

She is talking to the left, though. WillTwain Apr 2015 #104

OK. When one shows up, we can talk about that, too. MineralMan Apr 2015 #108

Well, for starters, promise and deliver on vetoes of any Fast Track/TPP bills before him... cascadiance Apr 2015 #121

Hillary just said she is watching it closely. WillTwain Apr 2015 #123

The financial elites rule. WillTwain Apr 2015 #75

I always vote Democrat, also. WillTwain Apr 2015 #12

We won't know what she will actually do MineralMan Apr 2015 #29

Talk will be cheap zipplewrath Apr 2015 #26

You will see things as you see them. MineralMan Apr 2015 #31

Oh wise one zipplewrath Apr 2015 #97

Don't be silly. Of course they will and it does happen. MineralMan Apr 2015 #102

Probably not as long as I zipplewrath Apr 2015 #110

lol - never 840high Apr 2015 #107

Ratner says she recognizes times have changed. WillTwain Apr 2015 #33

But tactics stay the same zipplewrath Apr 2015 #98

She has tossed a few jabs. WillTwain Apr 2015 #100

Oh, that darned Pillow Talk. Honey, how should I vote? LOLOLOL libdem4life Apr 2015 #105

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #89

I just like the way that sounds - soi-disant. MineralMan Apr 2015 #93

... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #103

I assume she's going to have a populist message. Marr Apr 2015 #113

Whatever you say. Presidents have limited powers, MineralMan Apr 2015 #115

Depends on the president. WillTwain Apr 2015 #124

Interesting. So politicians always speak sincerely on the campaign trail, huh? Marr Apr 2015 #128

Wall Street is screaming? hughee99 Apr 2015 #9

The more she talks, the harder it is to take back. WillTwain Apr 2015 #13

Not really, nothing is hard to take back. I know exactly what her intentions are hughee99 Apr 2015 #17

Rhetoric is part of the political game. Obama has talked tough to the banks liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #19

Will you vote for her if she gets the nomination? WillTwain Apr 2015 #24

no I won't. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #28

I keep reading the opposite cali Apr 2015 #11

"Populist" rhetoric during a campaign is easy. 99Forever Apr 2015 #14

i am not sure a front runner has come out his strong in a long time. WillTwain Apr 2015 #16

+1,000,000 ND-Dem Apr 2015 #27

What can she say to convince you she is real? WillTwain Apr 2015 #36

How about she twist some Democrats arms and stop the TPP? 99Forever Apr 2015 #70

I hear ya. WillTwain Apr 2015 #80

almost seems like the winner gets taken to a back room at the WH after the election 0rganism Apr 2015 #65

Definitely WillTwain Apr 2015 #69

It's a lot of yap.. sendero Apr 2015 #15

She needs to be bold. WillTwain Apr 2015 #21

exactly. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #22

that didn't take long. foo_bar Apr 2015 #23

You are killing me. WillTwain Apr 2015 #25

people always lose hope when hope is all there is. there needs to be some actual payoff ND-Dem Apr 2015 #30

That is why people do not vote. WillTwain Apr 2015 #35

agreed. that's why the top 20% vote most; they actually get something out of the deal. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #46

Yep, They all vote. WillTwain Apr 2015 #51

Payoff? Sorry, no. Hope is all we get. Maedhros Apr 2015 #55

"We should expect politicians to deliver." = Truth. Instead we're expected to get all excited ND-Dem Apr 2015 #59

It is hopeless. WillTwain Apr 2015 #63

The first thing we need to do is to stop listening to the Eeyores of the Party Maedhros Apr 2015 #66

Bernie was just on Thom Hartmann, WillTwain Apr 2015 #73

With social media, it is possible. If we all send him a few bucks he could do it. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #112

Bernie must run,I will send him mire than I sent Obama and that was a lot. WillTwain Apr 2015 #122

Pure perception management. HRC is a salesperson for the 1% leveymg Apr 2015 #40

She says, "She wants to be our champion." WillTwain Apr 2015 #67

Street theatre Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #41

let's note also that DLA Piper is an international law firm. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #47

Ugly, to say the least. WillTwain Apr 2015 #57

I like it. DCBob Apr 2015 #45

Hillary Clinton�s Wall Street backers: We get it djean111 Apr 2015 #49

At this point, you are right. WillTwain Apr 2015 #52

But will they be able buy her silence? Orsino Apr 2015 #50

If she clams up, it is a done deal. WillTwain Apr 2015 #53

oh yeah, I'm sure that Wall St is shitting their collective pants.. frylock Apr 2015 #56

Funny and direct. WillTwain Apr 2015 #60

you'll have to forgive my cynicism, but I've seen this movie before.. frylock Apr 2015 #68

I am both a big cynic and hopeful. WillTwain Apr 2015 #72

Her Wall St donors arent worried. bunnies Apr 2015 #82

Jack Walsh, former General Electric CEO and all around prick, loves her. WillTwain Apr 2015 #87

Smoke and mirrors. polichick Apr 2015 #101

Well, unless Hillary puts on a convincing act, she might have some unwelcome company on the campaign trail. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #119

After the election they will 840high Apr 2015 #106

Do you have a link to the Onion for this? AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #114

+1 MineralMan Apr 2015 #116

Hillary's talking all this "for the people" talk tabasco Apr 2015 #117

That's my biggest fear, which is why we need someone we can trust to be a true "champion" for the people, who's been fighting in the trenches. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #120

Hillary just put out a statement on TPP. She is watching it closely. WillTwain Apr 2015 #125

The very least thing she could is oppose fast tracking so it could be debated out in the open and liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #126

They are ramming it through WillTwain Apr 2015 #127