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Johnny Rico

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74. Wolves...like any wild animals...are renewable resources which need to be managed.

Sun May 6, 2012, 07:56 PM

May 2012

I certainly don't want to see them (or any other animal) go extinct, but mawkish sentimentality over the death of a few hundred animals doesn't lead to a productive debate over the proper ratio of predators vs. prey.

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Half of Idaho's wolves gone in a year, thanks to Obama's Sect'y of the Interior [View all] villager May 2012 OP

Hard to imagine that there isn't room for more than 150 wolves in Idaho. postulater May 2012 #1

So long as there's one teabagger in Idaho, there won't be room for even one wolf here jmowreader May 2012 #11

The west is full of wolf-haters, regardless of Obama or the Interior Secretary bhikkhu May 2012 #2

All the more reason not to have cut a deal with them. villager May 2012 #14

You miss the point. No deal=no wolves bhikkhu May 2012 #18

Damn, we'd better get rid of all environmental laws, then, lest we piss off the destroyers! villager May 2012 #94

Compromise is how you get opponents to meet you halfway bhikkhu May 2012 #97

It was Salazar's decision to remove Endangered Species Act protection for wolves G_j May 2012 #102

The US Fish and Wildlife Service is not one guy bhikkhu May 2012 #135

I also received the info from Defenders of Wildlife life long demo May 2012 #3

for me, it was the selection of Salazar-the-rancher for Interior that signaled "business as usual" villager May 2012 #16

Ditto! burrowowl May 2012 #19

Yup. truebrit71 May 2012 #110

Are any of these top-level officials ever held accountable? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #4

Tragic... Ron Obvious May 2012 #5

I'm sorry, but wolves ARE a predatory species. LAGC May 2012 #6

You're the invasive species. SolutionisSolidarity May 2012 #8

Look, I appreciate that you think all life is sacred... LAGC May 2012 #10

wow! i strongly urge some serious soul searching. tomp May 2012 #41

"dominion over the earth"? IDemo May 2012 #43

Humans do not have "dominion" over anything. MineralMan May 2012 #45

Why don't we just wipe out all wild life? This way human profiteers would not have anything more sabrina 1 May 2012 #53

I wasn't aware that Polar Bears or Tigers or Lions were a nuissance to anyone. LAGC May 2012 #58

You haven't been paying attention. sabrina 1 May 2012 #59

Well, you're absolutely right about that. LAGC May 2012 #61

Tigers and lions kill many more people in one year geek tragedy May 2012 #65

I'm sure if local ranchers had as big of problem with tigers and lions... LAGC May 2012 #68

Are you opposed to the Endangered Species Act? ellisonz May 2012 #95

You didn't know polar bears, tigers, lions are a nuisance to anyone? uppityperson May 2012 #66

You can't possibly be serious. Marr May 2012 #98

I assume you're a hunter gatherer 4th law of robotics May 2012 #150

I'm not sure where I said I wasn't. SolutionisSolidarity May 2012 #164

You don't speak for people who live in the west _ed_ May 2012 #12

The hell I don't. LAGC May 2012 #13

I live in the west and I find your views very disturbing panader0 May 2012 #77

Yes, wolves are magnificent creatures. LAGC May 2012 #78

They belong in a zoo? RetroLounge May 2012 #79

Hey, if you want them in your backyard... LAGC May 2012 #80

By slaughtering them? truebrit71 May 2012 #111

Wow, DU is filled with idiots, isn't it? RetroLounge May 2012 #166

A fucking zoo? _ed_ May 2012 #139

Oh, we're engaging nature on her terms, alright. Predator vs. Predator. LAGC May 2012 #140

Conflicted on this Rittermeister May 2012 #83

+1 Johnny Rico May 2012 #85

Ranchers get compensated for any wolf-losses. truebrit71 May 2012 #112

Because they kill their property Rittermeister May 2012 #132

Utter nonsense _ed_ May 2012 #138

Bullshit _ed_ May 2012 #137

I feel literally sick G_j May 2012 #15

You probably never WILL hear a liberal person say something like that, either. Judi Lynn May 2012 #24

What a disgusting, horrific post. Welfare ranchers with invasive cow species are destroying villager May 2012 #17

next up coyotes... ileus May 2012 #81

Hey, ileus! Glad to see you posting outside of the Gungeon! LAGC May 2012 #86

actually, one reason coyote populations have expanded is because we killed off the wolves villager May 2012 #93

Dude... ellisonz May 2012 #21

See post #31. (n/t) LAGC May 2012 #35

This is the worst thing I've read on DU. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #22

The reason kudzu is considered an invasive species is because it did not originally come Jamastiene May 2012 #27

Wolves were artificially REINTRODUCED into Idaho. LAGC May 2012 #31

i may be missing something but I don't see where it's said they died off naturally. Kaleva May 2012 #34

Yet we somehow managed without them for 70 years before they were artificially brought back? LAGC May 2012 #37

Humans can do fine without the wolves but other species of animals and plants suffered. Kaleva May 2012 #40

Please don't leave out that elk arrived here by train as well IDemo May 2012 #38

Very true. LAGC May 2012 #39

Didn't large wildfires in the early 1900's create a suitable habitat for elk to move into. Kaleva May 2012 #42

Whether the habitat was altered by fire or not, the elk herd was introduced by man IDemo May 2012 #44

Can you provide links to sites that support your claim? Kaleva May 2012 #47

Correction - the elk population at that time was in the panhandle and the eastern part of the state IDemo May 2012 #49

Okay. Thanks! Kaleva May 2012 #50

Wrong. ellisonz May 2012 #52

I concede, you are correct. LAGC May 2012 #57

It's not about us... ellisonz May 2012 #62

They died off "naturally" by getting in the way of bullets? uppityperson May 2012 #67

Homicide rate in US would plummet if all victims were listed as dieing of natural causes. Kaleva May 2012 #72

Wolves are not the invasive species in this situation. nt redqueen May 2012 #29

See post #31. (n/t) LAGC May 2012 #32

Where is the evidence that they died off naturally? nt redqueen May 2012 #33

They didn't. He "mis-spoke".. truebrit71 May 2012 #114

What a load of shit...wolves are native to that area...not invasive... joeybee12 May 2012 #46

I am an Idahoan Vanje May 2012 #48

You've got to admit though that most Idahoans aren't that sympathetic to the wolf problem. LAGC May 2012 #51

Is your name..... Vanje May 2012 #73

I actually thought Walt was a pretty decent guy. LAGC May 2012 #75

That's what I thought. This is about party politics for you, and that's all. /nt Marr May 2012 #99

Yeah, fuck those wolves for killing animals the we want to kill. flvegan May 2012 #55

"It's really no different than other invasive species..." Rob H. May 2012 #60

"Their devastation to live-stock and wild game populations cannot be understated." Rob H. May 2012 #63

Thanks for posting. Smilo May 2012 #70

Well Said! Bryn May 2012 #104

I don't want to see majestic wolves to die off Bryn May 2012 #101

Good lord. tabasco May 2012 #136

Your post looks as horrible now as it did then. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #167

Thanks for your concern. (n/t) LAGC Jan 2013 #168

Another sad tragedy, MadHound May 2012 #7

Exactly as predicted. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #9

Obama is a liberal. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #20

Where I live in Upper Michigan, people shoot wolves on sight. Kaleva May 2012 #23

It's a filthy shame they aren't more decent than that. n/t Judi Lynn May 2012 #25

Even Dems in local office argue for the state to control the wolf population. Kaleva May 2012 #26

Are they bordering endangered or so numerous they simply must be culled? redqueen May 2012 #30

What defines "endangered" is a matter of contention. Kaleva May 2012 #36

Do they shoot them from the air, like Sarah Palin? sabrina 1 May 2012 #54

No. Sarah Palin has NEVER been right about anything unless it was a mistake. truebrit71 May 2012 #115

Well, that was my point. The 'left' was totally for protection of wolves sabrina 1 May 2012 #125

My condolences to the decent folks in upper Michigan. flvegan May 2012 #56

No shit... truebrit71 May 2012 #116

Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #28

Perhaps you could explain why the 2000 de-listing of the wolf Cerridwen May 2012 #64

wolves are almost as dangerous as humans! G_j May 2012 #71

I think I was going for cynical...maybe bitter... Cerridwen May 2012 #82

It's "sad" that we've moved into the territory of wolves? Johnny Rico May 2012 #84

Some species are able to co-exist. Cerridwen May 2012 #88

We don't need high-powered rifles from helicopters. Spears and bows & arrows are quite sufficient. Johnny Rico May 2012 #89

Obama and Salazar are bad news Boudica the Lyoness May 2012 #69

Wolves...like any wild animals...are renewable resources which need to be managed. Johnny Rico May 2012 #74

Letting nature take it's course could be brutal. Kaleva May 2012 #76

I didn't read the letter as "mawkish sentimentality" G_j May 2012 #90

I'm speaking of some of the posts in this thread, not the letter in the OP. Johnny Rico May 2012 #91

The only "mawkish sentimentality" I see in this thread... ellisonz May 2012 #96

Here ya go. Johnny Rico May 2012 #113

Are you claiming that's photoshopped? ellisonz May 2012 #128

I never made any such claim. I will assert that it's cherry-picked to make wolves look adorable. Johnny Rico May 2012 #142

No -- not every other species on earth is a "renewable" "resource" for Lord God Man. villager May 2012 #92

The entire biosphere itself is about to die? Really? Johnny Rico May 2012 #105

... ellisonz May 2012 #107

Please don't introduce facts...it disturbs the denial hyperbole.. truebrit71 May 2012 #118

I'm sure our canned hunt fan understands just how much we've lost and what it is still at risk. ellisonz May 2012 #120

I love science. Best tool ever invented to investigate and utilize the universe. Johnny Rico May 2012 #124

You're putting economic interest above science in supporting wolf-kills. ellisonz May 2012 #127

Yes. You're incorrect. Johnny Rico May 2012 #141

You're doing an incredible job of talking out of both sides of your mouth. ellisonz May 2012 #146

On the contrary. Johnny Rico May 2012 #151

How will overfishing sterilize the entire planet? Please elaborate. Johnny Rico May 2012 #123

Isn't it funny how the term "fully exploited" is used instead of "fully utilized". Johnny Rico May 2012 #122

You have a very simplistic view. ellisonz May 2012 #126

I prefer to use the actual definitions of words. Johnny Rico May 2012 #143

Except the Earth isn't a statue... ellisonz May 2012 #147

The assertion was made the the biosphere was on the verge of destruction. Johnny Rico May 2012 #152

The Earth is not an inanimate object! ellisonz May 2012 #154

I agree. The biosphere is animate. So what? Johnny Rico May 2012 #157

You can't compare an orange and a stone. ellisonz May 2012 #158

Given that *millions* of species have gone extinct in the last 4 billion years, Johnny Rico May 2012 #159

And that would be correct... ellisonz May 2012 #161

The one that supports the middle-class, Heinlein-reading lifestyle to which you are accustomed villager May 2012 #131

Well, why don't you show us how it's done Rittermeister May 2012 #133

I'm already eating less meat, and buying less new stuff than you. Match that, instead of villager May 2012 #134

+1 Johnny Rico May 2012 #145

? villager May 2012 #148

When did I assert that the Earth was dispensable? Johnny Rico May 2012 #144

I profoundly disagree. villager May 2012 #149

(incomplete post, please disregard) Johnny Rico May 2012 #153

We'll have to agree to profoundly disagree. Johnny Rico May 2012 #155

we should quit industrializing cows and chickens, for one thing, and viewing them as "products" villager May 2012 #160

It makes me really sad to know they are killing the wolves. Marrah_G May 2012 #87

Signed the petition Bryn May 2012 #100

Here is the link G_j May 2012 #103

Same here...Signed and shared... truebrit71 May 2012 #109

The appointment of Ken Salazar to interior has been worse than James Watt.. truebrit71 May 2012 #106

all those chicken shits that want to live out in nature, in the wild.... Scout May 2012 #108

Very useful thread.... truebrit71 May 2012 #117

It would be better if they spent their energy eradicating wolves from K Street. Zorra May 2012 #119

Hear, hear! nt redqueen May 2012 #121

Echoing Hear, Hear! Bryn May 2012 #129

DU Rec. nt woo me with science May 2012 #130

wow.. what a f*cked Up Eye-Opener of a Thread fascisthunter May 2012 #156

Your "mawkish sentimentality" is noted! ellisonz May 2012 #162

lol... fascisthunter May 2012 #163

Drill baby drill sarisataka May 2012 #165