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17. Here is little 'ol me trying to understand - pro-con of TPP

Reply to The Blue Flower (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 11:33 AM

Apr 2015

and then this BS comes across in my research - I have read Stiglitz - not thoroughly YET - I have read Krugman - before and after - he was pro and now he is against this TPP..

Will someone, somewhere stand up - and address all the issues - explain each chapter....my goodness....

I will continue to research - what affect TPP has on patent protection or not - corp vs country regulations - we have already seen what corps have done in latin American countries...indigenous people losing everyday - land, water - other resources for the almightly buck..

We have a land swap deal pushed through our own congress regarding Resolute Copper Mine (CO already found to be thieves of resources..) and sacred land of the Apache Nation here in AZ - AZ wants Grand Canyon open to drilling...so another American Indian Nation fights on..national parks - go private you say -

Krugman - in his AGAINST position article NYT - quote "Which brings me to my last point: Why, exactly, should the Obama administration spend any political capital – alienating labor, disillusioning progressive activists – over such a deal?"

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Korten: A Trade Rule That Makes it Illegal to Buy Local? [View all] The Blue Flower Apr 2015 OP

That first one is absolutely aimed at replacing governments as the controlling factor of world power Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1

That's what I get from this as well.. haikugal Apr 2015 #2

We need strange bedfellows QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #36

The favoring local business clause will help create US jobs. The US doesn't have protectionist okaawhatever Apr 2015 #3

... ND-Dem Apr 2015 #14

What makes you think that the corporations do not intend to use "do not buy local clause" for the jwirr Apr 2015 #18

There isn't a "do not buy local clause" someone has given you bad information. It has a "you okaawhatever Apr 2015 #47

The US does very little "trade" fasttense Apr 2015 #20

That's what they told us about NAFTA. Overseas Apr 2015 #44

BTW the headline is a total lie. You should be ashamed. The TPP in no way makes it illegal to buy okaawhatever Apr 2015 #4

it makes it illegal to favor local buying by law ND-Dem Apr 2015 #15

That is not what the headline says. The headline is a lie. And yes, that is one of the great okaawhatever Apr 2015 #31

But this agreement does not include China or India QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #37

True, but there are protectionist measures for TPP signing countries. Hopeflly doing business okaawhatever Apr 2015 #45

What are the protectionist measures for TPP signing countries. QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #49

Here is one example: okaawhatever Apr 2015 #55

No big deal it is just the Wal-marting of the Pacific. A nation can not LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #21

Sorry, this is the kind of absolute hysterical, dishonest crap that makes us opponents cali Apr 2015 #5

^^^this. mopinko Apr 2015 #9

... ND-Dem Apr 2015 #16

So Cali how do you interpret the clause: fasttense Apr 2015 #22

It makes it illegal for the government to favor local businesses. jeff47 Apr 2015 #28

And that is good ?? QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #38

So, is it good to ENCOURAGE using MORE fossil fuels to ship products "not local" around the world... cascadiance Apr 2015 #50

You did not notice the sarcasm in my question, I agree with you QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #57

My apologies... It's hard to sort out some of the rhetoric here at times... cascadiance Apr 2015 #59

No problem, and I hope this week goes better for you QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #60

Usually. jeff47 Apr 2015 #58

Is what good? Chan790 Apr 2015 #62

Corporations have taken official control of Congress and White House, now they want judicial branch whereisjustice Apr 2015 #6

It's a corporate coup d'�tats. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #7

K&R! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #8

Shameful distortions and fear mongering appears to be the go to arguments against the TPP. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #10

So Fred how do you interpret the clause: fasttense Apr 2015 #23

"International companies and domestic companies will be subject equally to the laws of the nation they do business in." Duh. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #26

So let's say there's a law that says government should favor local, small businesses. jeff47 Apr 2015 #29

So, encouraging local buying such as the "Pick Tenn" state funded promotion fasttense Apr 2015 #30

Promotion isn't unequal treatment and the TPP doesn't have any provision that stops promoting okaawhatever Apr 2015 #32

Why is promotion not considered "treatment" or "conduct"? fasttense Apr 2015 #48

China is not part o this agreement QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #41

This is a death knell to any poorer country. It will keep them from developing their own economy. jwirr Apr 2015 #11

B.S. This is preventing exactly what you said England did. Countries can't export okaawhatever Apr 2015 #33

actually local is an answer to climate change PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #39

In the next two years the Rs are in control in the government. Any progress we make in climate jwirr Apr 2015 #43

K&R whereisjustice Apr 2015 #12

No TPP! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #13

Here is little 'ol me trying to understand - pro-con of TPP asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #17

this one is the one with quick power to destroy: ND-Dem Apr 2015 #19

B.S. It does not do what you claim. It doesn't set the rules for what speculation is allowed, okaawhatever Apr 2015 #35

As a TPP apologist, your credibility to tell people water is not wet... Chan790 Apr 2015 #63

I think it is time to start constructing guillotines. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #24

�the expectation of gain or profit.�. . Well, HELL annabanana Apr 2015 #25

The phrase "Free Market" seems to just include one side of the equation.. annabanana Apr 2015 #27

STOP THE GOD DAMN TPP! Maineman Apr 2015 #34

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #40

K&R. This provision also hurts our environment. Overseas Apr 2015 #42

Shipping labor and products around the world hastens the human race's extinction with climate change cascadiance Apr 2015 #52

Exactly. We actually need to return to more local production. Overseas Apr 2015 #56

TPP is designed to do one thing and one thing only. hifiguy Apr 2015 #46

Actually, the TPP will make it illegal to SPECIFY buying local. djean111 Apr 2015 #51

And probably Josephine and Jackson county's laws against GMO crops in Oregon will be overturned... cascadiance Apr 2015 #53

Yup. That's the plan. djean111 Apr 2015 #54

bingo! liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #61