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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton Answer On Abortion Leaves 'Pro-Life' Senator Speechless [View all]iandhr
(6,852 posts)29. I agree with you.
I was merely suggesting it as a way to go after the far right.
We say something like "If you hate abortion so much you should support universal contraception access. More women having access to contraception would reduce the number of abortions that take place."
Then they spot there bs about "consequence free sex"
Then we expose them for the women haters that they are.
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kpete
Apr 2015
OP
of course. but it still reduces with education, birthcontrol, family planning. which is the only
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#92
yes. and she was so clear on it. so how do people ignore her words to focus on one word....
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#68
i disagree. i think she fliped it around and said clearly why it was flipped around.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#116
As soon as I hear about people being stigmatized for getting thier knee repaired, sure
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#123
i adamantly disagree with you. i get you. cause i react the same with that word.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#126
i am not a supporter, though listening to du the last week is making me more so. i had never heard
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#122
i think we are kneejerking. i reacted immediately also. then continued to listen. i feel
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#159
as have i and clearly stated repeatedly. not a new rant for me. pretty important to me, too. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#164
Are you implying that those of us who are saying "abortion on demand" are not..
haikugal
Apr 2015
#138
Don't hear the phrase "safe, legal, and rare" to describe any medical procedures for men.
kairos12
Apr 2015
#64
Yes, why say rare? As if something's wrong with having an abortion. It should be safe, legal, affordable and available on demand...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#103
you can damn well bet if there is an alternative to prostate surgery they go for it, ... oh wait.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#125
It's a concession to the people who think women have their uterus hoovered every weekend
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#109
Feels "empowered" to me....like "rare because a woman should have control over her circumstances,
MADem
Apr 2015
#139
Exactly! 'Rare' to me means women have choices so they never have to consider abortion
LynneSin
Apr 2015
#221
Both Sweden and Denmark have abortion rates higher than the U.S. They have oodles of education
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#226
Yes, I agree, shouldn't concede anything to the right that helps their cause to deny women the right to choose.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#107
I hate it. It prioritizes abortion as a political issue over the health and needs of women.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#31
Abortion is the sole medical procedure that is described as so icky that it ought to be rare.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#73
why? should it be rare? it is costly, invasive, stressful. wouldnt you rather NOT get preg
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#74
and nowhere was i arguing stress and pain level between abortion and giving birth.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#88
I have disliked the use of the word since I first heard it in 2005. It has nothing to do with
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#161
If they can find a way to do microsurgery that makes knee replacement surgery unnneccessary, hell
MADem
Apr 2015
#142
or, with family planning and other measures, they will not be needed at the same rate. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#72
Exactly. It's not a concession, it's saying open up family planning options and
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#181
It should be rare. With contraception and family planning there would be less. Sure, there will be
still_one
Apr 2015
#5
Rare because there is family planning, as in birth control being available. If there isn't
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#6
Yes, and of course there are the criminal and health related aspects why it needs to be legal. Rape,
still_one
Apr 2015
#8
I totally agree, especially a young girl and in cases of incest, a young victim of rape should not
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#16
There are no "especially" cases for any female who wants to have an abortion...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#232
I understand what you say, my point was and is a young girl should not be punished further after
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#233
With education, family planning, and good birth control, abortions will be rare.
Agnosticsherbet
Apr 2015
#13
Yes! Abortion is a moral and positive choice that that liberates women, saves lives, and protects
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#237
then say abortion and contraception should be safe, legal and available to all
elehhhhna
Apr 2015
#79
I disagree. Abortion is a last resort because it's invasive and has risks. Other options
nolabear
Apr 2015
#17
Reduce to what? Rare is a relative term which means very different things to different people.
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#28
Except the far right also believes that birth control pills are abortifacients.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#201
Which was amazing that the SC didn't use science to reach a decision ... We're toast!
haikugal
Apr 2015
#207
If they said it while most states were simultaneously closing clinics, limiting access to it and
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#51
Exactly, or lobe-ectomies, or many other surgeries. It works for all of them. Nt
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#182
I think what she means by rare is by trying to lower unwanted pregnancies in the first place
Marrah_G
Apr 2015
#82
that would be the ONLY word i had an issue with. i get it too. and i do not think she needs
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#36
I agree. She has a 100% rating with NARAL and 0% with the anti choice groups.
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#38
There's thinking in the anti-choice movement that women use abortion as a form of birth control
justiceischeap
Apr 2015
#190
totaly fuggin blowing my mind. the more i listen, and the more i think about it, and thought
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#93
And in 1996, the feminist organization that I was involved with protested Bill's use of the word.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#176
i would have to see how bill used it. did he do it as a concession. abortions should be rare. thats
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#194
anti abortionists, rather than prolife. and yes. that would be the point and reasoning,
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#62
She did very well. Those who want to fasten on one word need to listen to the whole thing again.
Hekate
Apr 2015
#71
i sit the same place as you do. i thought what she said was important enough for all us to hear
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#104
period at the end when she uses rare. then she explains how one decdreases it. then she brings
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#98
Jeeez. People are willing to dismiss the whole speech just for the use of "rare".
Quantess
Apr 2015
#108
Please, she's a big girl and no one said anything other than she did a good job.
haikugal
Apr 2015
#146
as she says.... she has been to the places with botched abortions and watched the suffering.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#118
Swedenhas a higher rate of abortion than the U.S. And Sweden has early sex ed which
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#178
I've noticed that those supporting the language refuse to respond to that point.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#219
That wasn't clear at all, sorry. I meant the assertion that better education and access to birth
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#239
I am agreeing with you! I was only seeking to clarify that LA, not push back. I'm sorry if I'm not
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#241
Here you go. And the stats are consistent on both pro-choice and anti-choice websites.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#225
Thanks, kpete! In that same hearing she reiterated she opposed forced abortions, as well. n/t
freshwest
Apr 2015
#160