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JohnnyRingo

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335. We see it differently.

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 12:41 PM

Apr 2015

I watched it as a white knuckle horror show from a front row seat, while you likely viewed it in retrospect as a below the fold news story about another business failure amid the recession. That grants you the ability to rewrite the massive bailout to portray Obama as a union hating neocon. The president lost more support from conservative democrats than he gained by ensuring a living wage and a few retiree's benefits. The administration's automobile task force even went to court to fight GM for continuing the pensions of Delphi workers like myself. That involved about 12,000 votes total.

"Pressure from big unions". What is this, 1965?

All Obama would have had to do was let GM slide into bankruptcy and reorganize "without the legacy of union contracts" as the right demanded, and the rest of the country would have told the UAW "welcome to the club". Public service unions long ago supplanted auto workers as the primary influence in American politics.

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Obama Levels Cheap Shot At Unions - Again [View all] WillTwain Apr 2015 OP

Yeah those dumb unions wanting jobs with living wages and stuff LittleBlue Apr 2015 #1

I could not believe my ears. WillTwain Apr 2015 #2

His Wall Street cronies, maybe? whathehell Apr 2015 #4

whathehell is with this whathehell? WillTwain Apr 2015 #7

Well, Will.. whathehell Apr 2015 #14

Did he really say that about the eighties? WillTwain Apr 2015 #16

Here you are: F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #25

Thanks, stunning. WillTwain Apr 2015 #35

Apparently someone who fooled everyone who voted for his promise of Hope and Change. :( nt daredtowork Apr 2015 #204

Not gonna get fooled again. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #220

Hillary may need Bill to sell this one more time. WillTwain Apr 2015 #323

Yeh. Let's have a Republican instead. That's the ticket. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #326

What does that even mean? WillTwain Apr 2015 #328

It's the General election already? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #376

Charter schools and infrastucture loans. Right off the old DLC website. merrily Apr 2015 #250

Did Anyone See Rachel Maddow's Show About The VA? ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #435

Yes, even I was surprised..I heard it on the radio whathehell Apr 2015 #38

This pretty much sums up the new Democratic party: CrispyQ Apr 2015 #275

Time for upheaval WillTwain Apr 2015 #278

+100 ND-Dem Apr 2015 #299

21st Century Feudalism CrispyQ Apr 2015 #344

It is all preordained, WillTwain Apr 2015 #364

Agreed..and they've been able to get away with the "social issues alone" agenda whathehell Apr 2015 #342

My thought on these Gen 80s loving, Gen Reagan loving and Ayn Rand & Milton Friedman appalachiablue Apr 2015 #389

Just returned from a TPP rally. Not a millennial or gen-xer to be found, average age probably 60. WillTwain Apr 2015 #392

Where were his walking shoes when labor was in trouble in Wisconsin? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #22

Precisely. I was very disappointed in him for that, and it said a LOT, in my view.. whathehell Apr 2015 #36

+1 Go Vols Apr 2015 #48

Harvard probably did not have a class in breaking your back for a paycheck. WillTwain Apr 2015 #37

"comfortable Pair of shoes..."- he hasn't found any in 6+ years nt msongs Apr 2015 #187

+ a gazillion!!! Lifelong Protester Apr 2015 #209

50-50 Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #43

EFCA was his promise. I feel for Hillary. WillTwain Apr 2015 #46

Not to worry. There's always Diebold or whoever owns that franchise now. merrily Apr 2015 #248

Yes Diebold or another e-vote corruptor unfortunately. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #396

Okay.. whathehell Apr 2015 #154

Glad to see you mention "comfortable shoes" -- that was the first thing I thought of. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #172

Golf shoes are plenty comfortable. I know he owns them. WillTwain Apr 2015 #374

OS Googling sit down window strike didn't help me. merrily Apr 2015 #245

Obama Embraces Chicago Factory Sit-In: Symbol of New Wave of Activism Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #252

Thanks. I saw that when I googled but he was not President yet then, so merrily Apr 2015 #253

yes, the republic doors & windows occupation was december 2008; obama assumed the ND-Dem Apr 2015 #301

P.S. I would not have expected him to walk a picket line, but merrily Apr 2015 #249

and he was even worse Mnpaul Apr 2015 #97

Truth. nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #166

He fooled us again? Enthusiast Apr 2015 #223

Two party system leaves no option. Fooled or not he got all our votes. WillTwain Apr 2015 #375

Yes, it WAS a cheap shot..I wonder how much $$ he took from the unions when campaigning? whathehell Apr 2015 #3

I do not get his disdain for the very people that got him elected. WillTwain Apr 2015 #5

Well, most union workers, excepting those in Sports & Entertainment, aren't rich whathehell Apr 2015 #9

Father Knows Best WillTwain Apr 2015 #11

Yeah, it's shitty.. whathehell Apr 2015 #24

What about the party as a whole? WillTwain Apr 2015 #42

To be honest, Will, I don't think he cares.. whathehell Apr 2015 #67

HIs actions speak loudly about who he cares about. Not the working class. WillTwain Apr 2015 #73

He still has to raise money for his Presidential Library, but merrily Apr 2015 #246

Rahm - mayor of Chicago WillTwain Apr 2015 #372

But most union workers make a good wage. AngryAmish Apr 2015 #17

For what they do, the pay is OK - no better than that. WillTwain Apr 2015 #26

Yes, but non union wages are worse. merrily Apr 2015 #251

Of course...The unions really "made" the middle class from the forties until the eighties whathehell Apr 2015 #33

He is on board fully with the Larry Summers model. WillTwain Apr 2015 #44

Obama hired Summers, knowing what havoc repeal of Glass Steagall had caused this country and others, merrily Apr 2015 #254

Imagine the closed door meetings between Obama, Emannuel and Summers - laughing at us. WillTwain Apr 2015 #264

The one percent does need a large middle class Mnpaul Apr 2015 #108

No, if they did they would support policies that support one. whathehell Apr 2015 #145

A good portion of the world can't afford their products Mnpaul Apr 2015 #184

I've often thought of that, and don't know the explanation, but I agree with with whatthehell. merrily Apr 2015 #255

Maybe that's why whathehell Apr 2015 #322

Retired Union member here happynewyear Apr 2015 #64

Big hug! merrily Apr 2015 #263

Congatulations, another union success story. WillTwain Apr 2015 #265

elitism is a poison PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #41

I don't disagree.. whathehell Apr 2015 #45

I thought he fancied himself as Lincoln. What a pile. WillTwain Apr 2015 #47

i will go a step further and claim that PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #65

And the truth of Lincoln's statement should be obvious. zeemike Apr 2015 #152

I am in complete agreement. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #163

Honest Abe, Dishonest Barack WillTwain Apr 2015 #373

It never ceases to amaze me what... StarzGuy Apr 2015 #216

He seems to be absolutely heartless. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #224

Greenspan, Summers, potaytoe, pohtahto. merrily Apr 2015 #256

Obama has been the greatest because he fooled so many. WillTwain Apr 2015 #268

Lots of dollars, now he betrays them. That is why we can never listen to what they SAY sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #19

Sadly, Hillary will pay for this distrust. WillTwain Apr 2015 #39

Look at Obama's cabinet Mnpaul Apr 2015 #114

I agree with you DrKZ Apr 2015 #131

I'm more concerned about all the Republicans he placed back in power in his cabinet. Democrats sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #134

Not only in his cabinet, but on Commissions. merrily Apr 2015 #266

Also, the dems he appointed are hand picked shills for the most part. WillTwain Apr 2015 #270

You know his commission picks but not that he said he was like a 1980s moderate Republican? merrily Apr 2015 #272

One hand washes the other. It is a poisoned society of group think. WillTwain Apr 2015 #274

That bears no relevance to my question. merrily Apr 2015 #282

I shudder to think what happens when Ginsburg retires. merrily Apr 2015 #422

......! KoKo Apr 2015 #347

Many members of team Hillary were in his campaign, as was pointed out during a 2008 debate. merrily Apr 2015 #259

An intelligent person would find out Hillary's position on TPP before causing her or any Democrat still_one Apr 2015 #168

And New Democrats like Hillary haven't helped them a whole lot. merrily Apr 2015 #261

They claim she was on our side fighting at Walmart - she failed. WillTwain Apr 2015 #273

You expressed sympathy for Hillary at least twice on this thread. merrily Apr 2015 #284

It is sympathy for the fact she will pay for Obama's words. He made her bed, seems a bit shitty. WillTwain Apr 2015 #293

Looking at only this one thread, I see inconsistencies in the opinions you express. merrily Apr 2015 #425

Hillary troubles me but I am holding out hope. WillTwain Apr 2015 #427

Hillary and Wal-Mart merrily Apr 2015 #419

Sadly? Um, ever read about Hillary and Walmart? merrily Apr 2015 #258

There may be something in the water or air and it's most likely money. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #118

Yeah. I used to have respect for Wyden and Obama. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #225

No, but he got all he really needed. Remember, we only see the hard money numbers--and even they merrily Apr 2015 #243

Pitiful and gross. Good old Raygun minus the Southern Strategy strikes again. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #6

Can he at least try to hide his hatred? WillTwain Apr 2015 #8

The new democrats do not like nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #10

Nobody is claiming this as news, It needs to be reported on, anyway. WillTwain Apr 2015 #27

My apologies, but let me clarify nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #31

I have been trying to let DUers know about the perilous position democrats are in. WillTwain Apr 2015 #51

I would not quite go that far, YET. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #52

They have threatened openly already to walk away. WillTwain Apr 2015 #57

Not the locals nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #59

Trumka has clearly threatened for 2016. WillTwain Apr 2015 #61

But trumka needs the majority of presidents from local labor councils nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #77

Trumka has agreement from all the unions to move forward together. WillTwain Apr 2015 #82

Take my word on this, or not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #86

Ok, maybe Trumka is speaking about something else. WillTwain Apr 2015 #90

He is floating it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #92

That was a very big and specific statement you made in reply 82, to retract this quickly. merrily Apr 2015 #288

Check this story out. He says they signed an agreement. WillTwain Apr 2015 #292

An agreement to announce at the same time, not to endorse the same person. merrily Apr 2015 #426

No he doesn't DrKZ Apr 2015 #127

There are good reasons actually nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #148

+1,000 happynewyear Apr 2015 #58

+1 a unique voice on DU merrily Apr 2015 #262

I speak to people in labor all the time DrKZ Apr 2015 #119

There is absolute talk of just working local races nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #137

I am an officer in an AFL-CIO union QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #177

working families ticket, or doesn't that matter to you? merrily Apr 2015 #271

this is not making it easier for them to get elected imo redruddyred Apr 2015 #123

he no longer needs votes Skittles Apr 2015 #12

Hillary may end up paying for his blatant disrespect. WillTwain Apr 2015 #21

she already has Skittles Apr 2015 #96

He was never on our side. FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #13

I Call Them Stealth Republicans WillTwain Apr 2015 #23

Groomed for the job of stealth and betrayal. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #226

Yes, Obama is clearly a secret Republican! Thanks, you made me laugh! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #294

Nothing funny about it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #302

You made me laugh again! Hyperbole is fun! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #305

Man, keep following him off a cliff. It is your life you are ruining. WillTwain Apr 2015 #308

Fred lives in the UK, he doesn't whathehell Apr 2015 #380

I've always suspected that.. whathehell Apr 2015 #55

With sadness I agree. 840high Apr 2015 #89

BooHoo.. you have no idea what you're saying. Just a lazy cheap pot shot that shows you haven't Cha Apr 2015 #193

the prez is a smart guy. he know which side is bread is buttered. KG Apr 2015 #15

When they finally walk away, he will be a big reason why. WillTwain Apr 2015 #18

The unions have threatened to walk away from the Dem party right before the last presidential sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #28

Unions built America,the party and Obama, yet he talks down to them like this. WillTwain Apr 2015 #34

They walked away in 1980 n2doc Apr 2015 #260

This Rank and File RobinA Apr 2015 #411

Nothing new here. sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #20

Same old song and dance. WillTwain Apr 2015 #30

Whatever did you expect from a 80s' Republican? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #29

Oh My God WillTwain Apr 2015 #32

You want more truth? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #63

Well, The general consensus seems to be that money & power corrupt jonno99 Apr 2015 #212

When you see things clearly you're not pessimist, you're a realist. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #217

For me, it played only to 2:58, then stopped. Can you give us a brief clue? merrily Apr 2015 #277

I checked it and it's working for me...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #369

Worked WillTwain Apr 2015 #371

Thanks so much, DeSwiss! merrily Apr 2015 #420

Yeah, sad. cui bono Apr 2015 #85

More than a small political worldview, that clip. Octafish Apr 2015 #50

Yeah, me too. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #68

Same here. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #227

this is pure politics tho redruddyred Apr 2015 #130

I try to eschew all labels..... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #171

President Obama has no love for Organized LABOR. bvar22 Apr 2015 #40

I sense he loathes them. He drips with contempt when he speaks of them. WillTwain Apr 2015 #53

He's spoken of progressives like that as well. n/t whathehell Apr 2015 #167

Halter was collateral damage. merrily Apr 2015 #286

Ugh. That's repulsive. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #49

Obama explains why union leaders formally oppose Free Trade agreements. yallerdawg Apr 2015 #54

Thanks for the explain, yaller. elleng Apr 2015 #66

obama can be intelligent, and yet completely wrong redruddyred Apr 2015 #139

So the fact that he taught at U Chicago LAW SCHOOL suggests he followed Milton Friedman's economics? elleng Apr 2015 #156

yes but likely has connections with the academic community there. redruddyred Apr 2015 #164

Not necessarily, but they don't suggest he's a progressive democrat either.. whathehell Apr 2015 #341

The hostility is FUD ... notice the off hour recs on these half truth threads are.. uponit7771 Apr 2015 #235

What do you mean by "off hour recs"? bvar22 Apr 2015 #359

Nice WillTwain Apr 2015 #360

Pure Bunk: He will create good jobs all right in China. What does he know that Trumks doesn't? WillTwain Apr 2015 #69

WHAT. A. FUCKING. LOAD. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #80

I was making around 34 bucks an hour in '95 Go Vols Apr 2015 #95

Of course you realize the Instant Outrage Based On One Sentence Out of Context has already begun? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #124

Sometimes it's like being in a giant cave... yallerdawg Apr 2015 #186

I was just being amazed we are back to ODS treestar Apr 2015 #242

How his actual words are not his actual words is a hell of a concept. WillTwain Apr 2015 #304

Ever heard of "context" and "ad hominem" logical fallacies, because some have? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #306

You do not get the big picture at all. He loves and needs you. WillTwain Apr 2015 #309

I get your viewpoint, I get you completely....and you are completely wrong. Trust Obama? Or not? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #310

What do you "completely" get about me? I cannot read your mind. WillTwain Apr 2015 #314

Here is a little more context for you pal. WillTwain Apr 2015 #311

Washington Examiner? You win! No more kicking a boring thread.....Pal. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #313

Thank you for conceding. Pal. I actually thought you were too proud to admit Obama is rude. WillTwain Apr 2015 #315

They promised the same stuff with NAFTA jeff47 Apr 2015 #170

BS absolute BS QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #183

Anyone stupid or naive enough to buy these bullshit, well worn, and nonsense lies TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #194

Those were the same EXACT talking points used to push NAFTA and GATT Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #203

We heard the same LIES leading up to NAFTA. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #228

the stupid facts CONSTANTLY get in the way of me being needlessly pissed at Obama!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #234

Many call him a charlatan. WillTwain Apr 2015 #279

Another disappointment from the most disappointing POTUS ever. Scuba Apr 2015 #56

It is like he is cheating on us, then laughing about it in public. WillTwain Apr 2015 #60

"most disappointing president ever"=absurd hyperbole of the week. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #98

You must have expected very little good from BHO's administration, kinda like how I felt about Bush. Scuba Apr 2015 #102

Ooh, I spoke to soon. Can't get much more absurd than Obama=Bush nonsense. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #116

Not what he said at all. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #132

Well, they also suggested that the only way geek tragedy Apr 2015 #185

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #229

Dead enders is right. They refuse to acknowledge all the Progress our Dem Prez has made but Cha Apr 2015 #415

If you support Third Way Democrats, then just say it. PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #430

I Find You "LOL" Offensive! ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #436

They refuse to acknowledge all the Progress our Dem Prez has made but Cha Apr 2015 #446

Did you watch the clip of him marginalizing unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #449

I don't know if that is absurd hyperbole. It is not disappointing when R's screw over labor kelly1mm Apr 2015 #122

For better or worse, TPP is probably the geek tragedy Apr 2015 #129

It stands to reason that it will cost American workers. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #230

No I don't but thanks for trying to help. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #291

They love Bush... they hate being wrong about him uponit7771 Apr 2015 #236

Hyperbole, when over-used, is hyperbolic. WillTwain Apr 2015 #324

Obama was talking a different talk during the 2007 AFL CIO Democratic debate nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #62

I am fucking sick of this bull. WillTwain Apr 2015 #72

You all do know TPP includes Obama's NAFTA fixes? yallerdawg Apr 2015 #78

OK WillTwain Apr 2015 #83

Fixes? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #84

My eyes almost didn't stay in my head BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #325

Scooby Doo, off with the mask. WillTwain Apr 2015 #329

It's the new meme going around BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #330

So, let's all enjoy the German countryside in the lovely trains on the way to Auschwitz. WillTwain Apr 2015 #332

Uh oh, a Godwin BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #333

I knew it was risky. WillTwain Apr 2015 #337

Yeah, I step over the line often myself BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #349

So tell mey yellerdawg nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #91

What have they changed in Article 17 of Mexican Constitution? Hoyt Apr 2015 #331

Forgive me 123 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #340

Forgiven.. So what did they have to change in Article 123? Please try to focus in your response. Hoyt Apr 2015 #343

They started by weakening strike rights nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #352

TPP and NAFTA are responsible for all of that? Hoyt Apr 2015 #353

Do you ever listen to the other side? Listen to Trumka and Gerard. They dwarf Oabama's knowledge. WillTwain Apr 2015 #354

They are protecting their turf, I get that.. But it's a relatively small turf nowadays. Hoyt Apr 2015 #357

What does that even mean? Or prove? This is a much deeper discussion than trite comments. WillTwain Apr 2015 #358

Yes. It is making the country ready for the treaties nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #355

That's what we're afraid of. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #231

Hackneyed excuses are getting old-yaller. WillTwain Apr 2015 #276

When Hillary is elected, sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #70

We are tying our own noose. WillTwain Apr 2015 #74

Very disappointed in this......d*mn. a kennedy Apr 2015 #71

Two more years. WillTwain Apr 2015 #76

Because the politician definition of 'trade' is very different from the dictionary definition Scootaloo Apr 2015 #75

Nicely stated. WillTwain Apr 2015 #79

I don't think he "detests us." Scootaloo Apr 2015 #106

They have his ear. We do not. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #233

this is exactly what occurs when PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #88

Thanks for sharing that. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #232

Well put, Scootaloo malthaussen Apr 2015 #257

�They are always against Trade" busterbrown Apr 2015 #81

Heard it on the ED Show WillTwain Apr 2015 #87

I�m looking all over the place on his facebook google everything busterbrown Apr 2015 #93

Look at this thread, you will find it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #110

Try looking in the thread of all places. You owe me an apology. WillTwain Apr 2015 #140

http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/watch/hillary-clinton-breaks-silence-on-tpp-429927491836 WillTwain Apr 2015 #107

Yep Andy823 Apr 2015 #94

This is a fucking disgrace.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #100

Waiting for the apology. WillTwain Apr 2015 #113

This is a disgrace all right. WillTwain Apr 2015 #121

Hey Buster, You owe me an apology. You promised. WillTwain Apr 2015 #135

Hardly a cheap shot... busterbrown Apr 2015 #143

Thank you Buster. I appreciate your apology. Very nice. WillTwain Apr 2015 #149

Hey buddy, the link is posted and it is even worse than reported. Settle down. WillTwain Apr 2015 #111

Hey will...Here�s one for U.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #147

At least you are trying. WillTwain Apr 2015 #155

Apology will be accepted upon delivery. WillTwain Apr 2015 #128

You need to give a damn about your fellow Americans! PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #176

Andy, what I give a damn about is you apologizing for ugly assumptions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #280

Here are the remarks in full, White House website. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #146

At least one lie/fabrication PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #160

He is such a bullshitter. WillTwain Apr 2015 #285

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #393

You did not introduce yourself. WillTwain Apr 2015 #398

No thanks. Darb Apr 2015 #404

Obama is rude to union men. They know him too well and he is uncomfortable. WillTwain Apr 2015 #414

I'm certainly not defending those remarks, simply providing them for those who claim they are Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #334

i did not think you were defending them PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #336

The real quote is much worse than the shortened paraphrase. WillTwain Apr 2015 #338

Here is the full quote.... PosterChild Apr 2015 #368

regardless of what the provisions are, are opposed to trade. Unbelievable language WillTwain Apr 2015 #370

it is certainly historicly incorrect . .. PosterChild Apr 2015 #377

Blatantly false and merely an opportunity for a cheap shot at adversaries. That is all it is. WillTwain Apr 2015 #378

Insulting but not surprising. senseandsensibility Apr 2015 #99

Maybe Scott Walker will pick him of Vice President. WillTwain Apr 2015 #115

He became ineligible about three months ago. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #181

All the appointments that I am familiar with tell me a bad story. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #237

When it comes to unions and other issues that involve money democrank Apr 2015 #101

He saved my pension JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #218

Obama did not save your pension - unions saved your pension. They forced his hand. WillTwain Apr 2015 #281

We see it differently. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #335

With all due respect, we do see it differently, WillTwain Apr 2015 #350

There is no center about it. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #238

Remarkable absence of pom poms and the wavers thereof on this thread Fumesucker Apr 2015 #103

Waiting for the official talking points, probably. QC Apr 2015 #125

There are enough to suit me. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #239

Presidential Assholery. polichick Apr 2015 #104

He has Tourette Syndrome for unions: Fuck you unions, Fuck you unions, Fuck you unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #138

Ha! And for liberals too. polichick Apr 2015 #247

Stupid statement. Grand scale stupid. Darb Apr 2015 #394

My post was simply accurate... polichick Apr 2015 #439

Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #105

Again we have been fooled into thinking this guy is a Democrat for INdemo Apr 2015 #109

He's Come A Long Way colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #112

He started that journey when he picked Rahm. FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #191

Campaigned for Rahm in Chicago, avoided Wisconsin and Walker. In a nutshell, it says it all. WillTwain Apr 2015 #287

Mr. President & Congress turbinetree Apr 2015 #117

After years of this kind of outsourcing it can even becomes a serious national security issue. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #240

Correct turbinetree Apr 2015 #317

Thanks, turbinetree. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #319

unions are always against trade that trades away their fucking jobs elehhhhna Apr 2015 #120

recommended . nt Duppers Apr 2015 #126

This is a huge mistake for Obama and the Democrats. 99Forever Apr 2015 #133

Why a mistake? Geronimoe Apr 2015 #142

I'm sorry but it's a subject I... 99Forever Apr 2015 #144

So much for the community organizer. He is a DC insider. He has forgotten where he came from. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #136

He doesn't need their money or support anymore, and his post-presidential earnings hughee99 Apr 2015 #141

BS from the WH Beowulf42 Apr 2015 #150

Ask the workers at US based BMW, VW, TOYOTO, SIEMENS, etc., plants what they think of trade. Hoyt Apr 2015 #151

Appreciative the stuff you found on line today explaining the TPP.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #153

I get their concern, but it's gone far beyond that. Hoyt Apr 2015 #159

I agree Andy823 Apr 2015 #178

Forget about the politicians, and all that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #169

Trade != free trade. jeff47 Apr 2015 #174

"Free" Trade = Low Wages TBF Apr 2015 #157

I don't know how you get around lower wages in a global economy. jonno99 Apr 2015 #213

I hear you - TBF Apr 2015 #312

There is, it is called progressive taxes. Except, it must be a global movement. WillTwain Apr 2015 #321

That's the way I see it as well. nt TBF Apr 2015 #348

Obama pals around with Christian dominionists/Christian reconstructionists; democracy is anathema to blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #158

Unions helped elect this man! wolfie001 Apr 2015 #161

Five words Madmiddle Apr 2015 #162

Crap, again? blackspade Apr 2015 #165

The middle class zentrum Apr 2015 #173

I noted that too and thought it undeserved. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #175

It's going to be interesting to see where Obama PumpkinAle Apr 2015 #179

How can you care .... Caretha Apr 2015 #180

Link? I'd like to see the actual quote. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #182

Exactly. FACTS would be useful. elleng Apr 2015 #189

"He is not dissing unions -- he is explaining their opposition, and how he understands their Cha Apr 2015 #192

Yes indeed, Cha. elleng Apr 2015 #198

It almost doesn't matter what Obama actually said. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #339

Another way to see this. WillTwain Apr 2015 #351

History repeats JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #388

You call wanting a president that puts American workers first a sanctimonious purity test. WillTwain Apr 2015 #390

Yeah, I know, JohnnyRingo.. only it's not really news to me. The same ol shit sandwich.. but, Cha Apr 2015 #385

Obama is a rude man. When he is cornered he loses his cool and turns into Cheney. WillTwain Apr 2015 #391

You're rude.. President Obama is an excellent President. Cha Apr 2015 #395

Run of the mill, WillTwain Apr 2015 #406

You don't get it and that's alright.. it's actually a badge of honor for President Obama Cha Apr 2015 #412

This message was self-deleted by its author WillTwain Apr 2015 #413

WillTwain compares Obama to Cheney JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #432

He's just acting out for his "100 of Recs".. to show them just how insidpid he can be for those recs Cha Apr 2015 #445

WTF?? treestar Apr 2015 #444

Did you watch the clip of him marginalizing unions? WillTwain Apr 2015 #450

I can't seem to find it, but I'd like to see it JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #451

It is in the OP, at the bottom, Incredible swipe at unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #452

Hey Gringo, Any response? What a swell guy. WillTwain Apr 2015 #453

Thanx Elling. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #197

You're welcome, JohnnyRingo. elleng Apr 2015 #199

Too bad your suspicions are wrong. You may find listening to the people that got his quote right WillTwain Apr 2015 #327

Did you try looking for the quote, it is all over the thread. WillTwain Apr 2015 #289

and yet he did say that Enrique Apr 2015 #297

Something new, selective reading. WillTwain Apr 2015 #303

You just said Obama "Makes little sense." WillTwain Apr 2015 #307

k and r. this is disgusting, but not surprising anymore. bbgrunt Apr 2015 #188

Now that we know where Obama stands I wonder which Republican INdemo Apr 2015 #190

Unions are the part of the party that DLC types dislike the most. For now. Marr Apr 2015 #195

K & R Thespian2 Apr 2015 #196

For all those that are loyal to the president - a song. WillTwain Apr 2015 #200

Dems started distancing themselves from unions back in the 70s.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #201

Non-unionized workers have become a nasty, selfish bunch daredtowork Apr 2015 #205

That's quite the broad brush you're deploying there Fumesucker Apr 2015 #211

Arg daredtowork Apr 2015 #215

Where I live the perception is that you get a union job by being related to or knowing someone Fumesucker Apr 2015 #296

People often get jobs of ALL kinds from knowing someone -- That's not unique to unions. whathehell Apr 2015 #345

Love your story. WillTwain Apr 2015 #356

Thanks! whathehell Apr 2015 #379

So here you are rhetorically beating up people who are struggling Fumesucker Apr 2015 #381

Try again, lol, I didn't "beat up" anyone and you know it.. whathehell Apr 2015 #384

That is a problem with unions - any organization will develop gatekeepers daredtowork Apr 2015 #362

How was I supposed to take your comments? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #382

I am trying to understand daredtowork Apr 2015 #421

Before you started in on the insults against 90% of the population I had already posted positively Fumesucker Apr 2015 #437

That's precisely why I got frustrated with the lack of strike support here daredtowork Apr 2015 #438

Not just the GOP, it's a substantial fraction of the Democrats too Fumesucker Apr 2015 #440

Why would you think that I think you're a bad guy? daredtowork Apr 2015 #441

You seem to think I'm "falling for GOP propaganda" Fumesucker Apr 2015 #442

I read all of your links daredtowork Apr 2015 #443

Unions are simply necessary. WillTwain Apr 2015 #365

Get a thick skin and keep fighting for the common good. PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #429

Yup. I heard that too... you can tell he's not running again.... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #202

Would it be too much to provide a quote and a link? BainsBane Apr 2015 #206

It is in the thread several times. WillTwain Apr 2015 #207

Yet not in the OP BainsBane Apr 2015 #208

You really do not want to read it. It is awful. A democratic president trashing unions like that. WillTwain Apr 2015 #210

Yet, you seem worried that this will reflect badly on Hillary. I find that odd. merrily Apr 2015 #267

Of course you wouldn't provide a link. Darb Apr 2015 #397

Did you watch the clip of him marginalizing unions? WillTwain Apr 2015 #448

here is the link� Demit Apr 2015 #244

BiBI, Do you have any input? Pretty damning vile comment. Think so? WillTwain Apr 2015 #283

As a 3rd generation Union Member I can say krawhitham Apr 2015 #214

Stop making sense. It will interrupt the ODS Darb Apr 2015 #401

Did you watch the clip of him marginalizing unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #447

His 'comfortable shoes' never came out of the box AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #219

He never bought them in the first place. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #221

Look who President Obama has aligned himself with in support of the TPP. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #222

Strange Bedfellows - I wonder what he thinks of Ayn Rand. WillTwain Apr 2015 #290

Comfortable shoes. merrily Apr 2015 #241

Baucus, the guy appointed to champion the ACA. WillTwain Apr 2015 #295

If advocates of a single payer Euro style health care system were allowed Enthusiast Apr 2015 #316

His ignorance is staggering. They gave us exactly what they wanted. He was complicit with them. WillTwain Apr 2015 #318

The President said, "It would be too expensive." We cannot afford not to do single-payer. More B.S. WillTwain Apr 2015 #320

Not only that, bvar22 Apr 2015 #361

In 21 months Baucas returns the favor. Big wheels keep on turning. WillTwain Apr 2015 #363

No, Rahm led the ACA before it ever got to Baucus. merrily Apr 2015 #424

Kick whereisjustice Apr 2015 #269

he never did put on those comfortable shoes... ND-Dem Apr 2015 #298

He doesn't own any steel toed boots. He is well-heeled. WillTwain Apr 2015 #300

Unions are not against trade. They are against the globalist free trade that has Zorra Apr 2015 #346

His statement is right out of the Republican playbook WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #366

Obama has Cheney in a secret bunker. WillTwain Apr 2015 #367

How many over-the-top stupid posts are you gonna make? Darb Apr 2015 #400

Unions love trade. moondust Apr 2015 #383

"global predation" BeanMusical Apr 2015 #386

More or less. moondust Apr 2015 #387

I think 90% of you pony piners misinterpreted his words. Darb Apr 2015 #399

Deliberately or because of laziness? AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #402

Well said, Darb. The admins will have some Monday morning reading, I suspect. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #403

Unrec. You Better Believe it! FSogol Apr 2015 #405

Hundreds of recs. WillTwain Apr 2015 #407

The Justin Bieber defense? FSogol Apr 2015 #409

It is interesting the difference between the thoughtful replies from the brilliant DUers that have WillTwain Apr 2015 #416

Maybe some us don't waste our time feeding the trolls? FSogol Apr 2015 #417

Yeah, that is it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #428

What is your definition of "trolls?" PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #431

Not far from my definition of sock puppet. FSogol Apr 2015 #433

Related to the "Third Way Democrats" -- if you are "Third Way" -- then just say it... PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #434

This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Apr 2015 #408

Of course. No one represents labor anymore. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #410

Somebody called him the most disappointing president. WillTwain Apr 2015 #418

Indeed, they trembled with fear when they had the power. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #423

I really don't see this as a cheap shot against unions. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #454