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cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
89. Let's pick apart some of those reasons though...
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 03:58 PM
Apr 2015

... and apply them to recent efforts from Obama and other Democrats on what would actually happen with what they are pushing..

1) Climate change -
o TPP that Obama is pushing would destroy our efforts to fight climate change, by encouraging more fossil fuel usage to transport more goods and labor globally to help with the race to the bottom. It would also race to the bottom to areas with less environmental regulations on carbon pollution, etc. too which also would hurt climate change.

2) Affordable health care -
o Obama avoided negotiating for single payer or even a public option and kept in place so much of what rewards the insurance companies continuing to keep our health care system too costly. Why didn't he negotiate harder for that? Obamacare was a good step in the right direction, but it could have been done better.

3) right to unionize -
o TPP that Obama is pushing will basically destroy labor organization around the world by allowing companies more freedom to go to base their manufacturing operations in countries and export globally products made with labor standards that are in the toilet.

4) right to vote -
o We need a constitutional amendment to give us all the right to vote to help be the basis to stop this voter disenfranchisement. And we also need consitutional amendment to shut down "corporate personhood" and "money is free speech" to stop the buying of our government too, before voting will count again. Still waiting for high level democratic leadership on this.

5) avoiding war through negotiations and use of the UN
o We're better than Republicans, but we're not negotiating things with continued drone strikes that even go after our own citizens without due process, and are conducting global efforts on spying on masses of people without good reason to do so as even FISA court oversight is a joke now.

6) keeping religion out of government
o Haven't done much to put in laws things that will prevent things like Hobby Lobby decisions from happening from our corrupt supreme court, which our Democratic members didn't question enough candidates like Roberts positions on corporate personhood to be made public before allowing him to be appointed as its head.

7) Net neutrality
o Why did Obama select Ted Wheeler who was a corrupt lobbyist for Comcast to head up the FCC, which has made this so much of an issue to start with, before he was able to probably convince Wheeler behind the scenes to step back from the earlier BS that was being pushed. If Obama had made a better choice than Wheeler, net neutrality would never have been an issue to begin with.

8) fighting income inequality
o The bigger income inequality is if we allow things like the TPP To get passed, which will force all of our jobs in terms of income levels to be in the toilet, not just women or minorities. Race to the bottom to achieve "equality" is the message that's being pushed on to us.

9) federal oversight of civil rights
o We should do less in efforts to arm our police like military, and to have them target people just trying to protest like Occupy protestors were doing, and more about how to fix our grand jury system and other areas that have been corrupt to allow such abuse to happen. Still not enough from Democrats, though arguably they are doing a better job in trying to fix this than Republicans.

And things like prosecuting banksters and other corporate criminals for crimes that have brought our country to its knees simply is NOT being done by this administration's justice department. Now the Republicans of *today* would likely be no better, but even Reagan's administration was better at prosecuting banksters in his day when he put in prison many behind the Savings and Loan crisis then. Why can't Obama and his DOJ of today do that?

You see why we're frustrated with the double speak we're getting from both parties today about how they want to do somethings but actually deliver things that don't measure up to what they say they'll do?

I mean, duh, besides "marriage equality" as a issue Bucky Apr 2015 #1
The exclusive right for women and their doctors to make decisions regarding their bodies. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #3
I don't bother. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #2
anyone who says that there is almost no or no difference guillaumeb Apr 2015 #4
There IS a difference. liberalmuse Apr 2015 #5
Willfuly blind or Andy823 Apr 2015 #10
No, that's a terrible argument... telling someone I won't try to convince them? Bucky Apr 2015 #21
I have a two-word response. One starts with a B and the other with S. libdem4life Apr 2015 #6
Exactly! nt Andy823 Apr 2015 #9
What does Black Sabbath have to do with it? zappaman Apr 2015 #18
LOL...they had a Party of their very own. libdem4life Apr 2015 #20
Well, it was a convincing two word response to a serious topic... until the poster brought Black Sabbath into it. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #76
It's true madamesilverspurs Apr 2015 #7
The 2 parties are virtual polar opposites on nearly every issue. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #8
"Go home, you're drunk" gratuitous Apr 2015 #11
My response is "Yes, I know". PeteSelman Apr 2015 #12
Marriage equality doesn't really matter?... SidDithers Apr 2015 #22
Yes, because social issues, healthcare, pro-Union justiceischeap Apr 2015 #29
now, i understand the people and how they are able to make the statement. seabeyond Apr 2015 #34
The issues on which the two parties differ the least are, in general, those which most affect nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #49
If you are a Hetero Xtian male perhaps. For the majority of Dems bettyellen Apr 2015 #39
I don't see democrats anywhere trying to control every onecaliberal Apr 2015 #80
I tell them that's why everyone needs to vote, even if we just write-in a name. canoeist52 Apr 2015 #13
it depends on what angle you look at them from Scootaloo Apr 2015 #14
Regardless, I don't see how not voting is any kind of solution. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #50
If you're at the bottom, voting isn't much of one, either. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #63
Speak for yourself. That is not what many us who are on the bottom see. jwirr Apr 2015 #86
How many people are you speaking for? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #87
I am totally against the TPP but there are a lot of immediate issues that effect those of us on the jwirr Apr 2015 #88
What's your response to the "There's [almost] no difference between the two parties" comment? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #15
Yes - it's a straw man. Maedhros Apr 2015 #54
not to mention the fuggin'supreme court. it is a false statement, they are both alike. seabeyond Apr 2015 #16
Well, I like women and I'm not gay. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #24
There are some differences on gay rights and women's rights. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #17
"Some" lol! zappaman Apr 2015 #19
You got the numero uno issue right up there in the front of the line.. The Environment. Cha Apr 2015 #23
As a gay man in a red state that refused Medicaid expansion... ashtonelijah Apr 2015 #25
You beat me to it. See my #45 below. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #46
And this is why I will always vote Democrat LynneSin Apr 2015 #57
Reproductive rights get the red out Apr 2015 #26
The other day I repsonded to a post on FB that said "You had to be an idiot to vote for Obama" A HERETIC I AM Apr 2015 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #31
"Bless your heart, Naderite." aikoaiko Apr 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #30
Just one maxrandb Apr 2015 #32
My reply: Utter Horsesh!t! blm Apr 2015 #33
Obama raised taxes on the wealthy (top 2 brackets). When did any Repug do that? progree Apr 2015 #35
Inclusion vs. exclusion. moondust Apr 2015 #36
It's immature and generally spoken by people who don't know much about policy alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #37
"Please go away, you ignorant dipshit." Hekate Apr 2015 #38
That'll convince them, all right Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #40
After living through the BushCheney era, after almost 13 years at DU, sometimes.... Hekate Apr 2015 #41
I don't respond, and I never take anything they have to say seriously after that. Lil Missy Apr 2015 #42
That Paul Krugman does not know what he is talking about when he disagrees with that assertion. pampango Apr 2015 #43
I simply ignore anyone who is so uninformed as to say that. MineralMan Apr 2015 #44
I don't see many women, LGBT or people of color making that argument. Let's start there. stevenleser Apr 2015 #45
It's difficult to approach that level of ignorance. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #47
The estate tax, which only a few multi-millionaire/billionaire heirs pay... progree Apr 2015 #48
Which two parties are you thinking? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #51
Its something I might have said wheniwasincongress Apr 2015 #52
Was there a difference between Al Gore and G.W. Bush? Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #53
"Jebillary"? LOL, I hadn't heard that one but I love it! eom Purveyor Apr 2015 #55
I found this Jeblary picture on Facebook progree Apr 2015 #59
I don't know I always wanted to see what it was like to live during a Theocracy LynneSin Apr 2015 #56
No difference, huh? Check out our Supreme Court. demosincebirth Apr 2015 #58
I use a couple of voting record graphs eridani Apr 2015 #60
My response is that on some major issues they are the same lovemydog Apr 2015 #61
+1 nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #62
Hillary sabotages it when she brings up needing "less regulation" daredtowork Apr 2015 #64
Oh, FFS. Would you get with the program? At least she didn't say "them job-killing regulations" progree Apr 2015 #66
WTF???!!! Are those articles curated or criteria-based? daredtowork Apr 2015 #67
Maybe the "Left Column" is dedicated to Hillary's wonderfulness because it's the first week progree Apr 2015 #69
Then there should be a Primaries section - she shouldn't hijack the Left section.nt daredtowork Apr 2015 #71
From Gawker Comments: Scurrilous Apr 2015 #65
There's a lot of differences in the two Parties... kentuck Apr 2015 #68
Purgatory is far better than hell? Zorra Apr 2015 #70
I would say I agree that economically there is little difference between the two parties. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #72
Wisconsin Republicans introduce bill to require photo IDs for food stamp recipients progree Apr 2015 #73
They don't differ much on issues that affect the 1% LittleBlue Apr 2015 #74
that whole meme is trolling to discourage voting treestar Apr 2015 #75
On issues that are important to me... 99Forever Apr 2015 #77
If there are those who says there is not any difference in the two parties, if they are speaking Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #78
On "social issues" there is a difference. hifiguy Apr 2015 #79
Sometimes it's hard to tell. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #81
Democrats can spell. kairos12 Apr 2015 #82
"Then you won't mind voting for Hillary, will ya?" rock Apr 2015 #83
Bullshit ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #84
It tells me they don't care about the lives or rights of the vast majority of Americans BainsBane Apr 2015 #85
Let's pick apart some of those reasons though... cascadiance Apr 2015 #89
Estate tax - RepubliCONs voted for repeal progree Apr 2015 #90
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