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NanceGreggs

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60. No personal offence meant, NYC ...

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 05:44 PM

Apr 2015

... but I have been reading the same kind of rhetoric aimed at Obama supporters here for six-plus years, i.e. we are idol worshipers, mindless cheerleaders, low-info voters who know nothing about politics or how gov't works.

The idea that we Obama supporters - and now we HRC supporters - are well-informed people who have based our support on solid criteria is never considered.

As I said, when you feel compelled to dismiss anyone who supports a politician you don't support as being too stupid, too ill-informed, or too mindless to know what's going on, you are saying far more about yourself than you are them, or their choice of candidate.

"You and a lot of my friends like Hillary, I won't hold it against you."

Gee, thanks. And I won't hold it against the Warren-for-President people who continue to delude themselves that EW is going to run, when she has made it abundantly clear that that's not going to happen. Or Sanders-for-President folks who delude themselves into thinking that a 73-year old, self-identified socialist is going to take the nation by storm and win the presidency.

There is political wishful thinking - and then there is political reality. I'll stick with reality, thanks.

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Our party leaders need to let go of the "they have nowhere else to go" attitude towards the base. [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2015 OP

you are implying Hillary Clinton and Chafee will not be better than the Republican ? JI7 Apr 2015 #1

Unfortunately that's most likley because the party and its base has become centrist. cui bono Apr 2015 #6

The party leadership may now be centrist, but NOT the base! cascadiance Apr 2015 #22

No, he's right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #33

Oh so if you're not a supporter of Clinton, then you're not a Democrat.... cascadiance Apr 2015 #46

That's the feeling I get from the centrists. cui bono Apr 2015 #87

She, actually. cui bono Apr 2015 #88

you also notice that our candidates talk all populist -- until they get elected, then they ND-Dem Apr 2015 #92

What "base"? You mean low information voters who only go with name recognition? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #9

HRC's "base" ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #14

What makes her the superior democrat in your eyes, Nance? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #15

Well, thanks for the invite ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #18

So you have no explanation whatsoever? nt delrem Apr 2015 #23

Mm hmm ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #47

Actually, you said worse. You refused to answer a simple question. cui bono Apr 2015 #89

there is no answer. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #93

This political message board ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #101

Then why do you post here? There's no reason not to answer it. cui bono Apr 2015 #102

Saying I refuse to answer ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #132

+1000 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #109

This is where I'm at - exactly JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #28

Among poll respondents, most by far are not as bright as you, Nance. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #54

No personal offence meant, NYC ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #60

You do not want to be called stupid but it is okay for you to call others deluded because they do jwirr Apr 2015 #67

Agreement or disagreement with me ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #82

Everytime I read an OP like this I wonder ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #61

This has been a delusional and even fairly hilarious tactic that a loud group have deployed here for Number23 Apr 2015 #77

The base that knows how to spell "D", and thinks nothing else is important. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #50

10% of that base is now registered as Independent. Dem voter registration is now only at 32% sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96

if they are registered as independent they are not the base JI7 Apr 2015 #99

The base is defined as who is voting for them, not necessarily by party affiliation. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #105

They WERE the base. Now why would the base of a political party be fleeing that party? Shouldn't sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #114

the base is black voters, lgbt, hispanics , asians and i see no evidence any of these groups JI7 Apr 2015 #115

Are you saying that minorities are different in some way to white voters and therefore have nowhere sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #116

you do realize that majority of white voters vote republican while majority of minorities vote dem ? JI7 Apr 2015 #117

What I realize is is that you have assumed that the loss of 10% of registered Dems since 2008 sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #118

yes, i would say not many minorities but even among some independents many still JI7 Apr 2015 #121

The math says you are wrong. But who cares about math? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #122

no it doesn't, party registration has nothing to do with who is the base JI7 Apr 2015 #123

Are you denying the reality that with the shrinking of the base, we lost the House AND the Senate? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #125

and most independents lean democratic, we lost the house because of how districts are drawn out JI7 Apr 2015 #128

Whatever you say! Maybe some day you will take a closer look at those mid terms, and not just sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #130

it's about recognizing reality . JI7 Apr 2015 #131

Yes, exactly. And the reality is we are losing. We lost the House and the Senate. That is the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #133

republicans have lost more party registration so how did they win ? JI7 Apr 2015 #134

Christie was VERY vulerable over his handling of Sandy. But even if he wasn't, explain why over 60 sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #135

because he was not vulnerable and actually was popular JI7 Apr 2015 #136

Wrong, you are repeating the EXCUSES that were handed down when outraged Dems sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #137

he was popular, and i'm not condoning anything, i'm stating facts, reality JI7 Apr 2015 #138

So it's okay for Democrats to support a Republican? Thanks, that's what I thought you were saying. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #139

oh, you are the one that claimed millions of people watch RT ? JI7 Apr 2015 #140

You have defended Democrats voting for a 'popular' Republican. I will remember that. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #141

stop accusing people of things for stating facts JI7 Apr 2015 #142

It's a simple thing to say. What the Dem Party did to Buono in NJ was reprehensible. They supported sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #143

i'm not being scammed, id on't think millions watch RT JI7 Apr 2015 #144

Exactly why are you trying to change the subject to something so far from sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #145

you change the subject all the time JI7 Apr 2015 #146

NJ is a BLUE STATE. A rotten, corrupt Republican was in trouble there. And the Dem Party rushed to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #147

We don't have anywhere else to go scscholar Apr 2015 #2

No, we're asking that they actually listen to what we want Maedhros Apr 2015 #5

Well I can't vote for Hillary. So they better start listening and responding. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #7

And we're dirty hippies. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #51

Oh there's the faint lip service paid to the Party Plank BEFORE the election. AFTER the election ... blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #3

if this group actually exists why didn't they vote for Chuy Garcia in Chicago ? JI7 Apr 2015 #4

They did betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #12

so they make up a very small percentage in the country ? JI7 Apr 2015 #13

The wheels on your goalpost seem very well-greased. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #16

nope, i don't agree with what the poster claims JI7 Apr 2015 #20

Conclusion: the Republican won. And you're laughing. nt delrem Apr 2015 #24

No a DEMOCRAT that you don't support, won. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #63

That depends on whether you define Democrat as someone with a 'D' after their name or cui bono Apr 2015 #90

It's the "D," baby. Just the big "D". ND-Dem Apr 2015 #94

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #97

Well... what has Emanuel done that is true to Democratic principles and what has he done that isn't? cui bono Apr 2015 #98

I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #107

What percentage of Emanuel's vote was from Republicans? cui bono Apr 2015 #111

Good question and good point. Do you have an answer? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #112

I do not. I thought you might since you made the statement that Dems voted him in, cui bono Apr 2015 #113

It's probably why Chicago's mayoral race is now officially "nonpartisan". Ken Burch Apr 2015 #26

so is los angeles and new york JI7 Apr 2015 #62

Are you sure about New York? Ken Burch Apr 2015 #83

yes, i was wrong, because the only contest was really the dem primary JI7 Apr 2015 #84

heh RobertEarl Apr 2015 #8

That was the most accurate & depressing post this morning. CrispyQ Apr 2015 #40

Since the 90's/Clinton until now, for the most part it seems to me Vote Democratic lexington filly Apr 2015 #10

Because we haven't found another place to go and they're betting that we never will. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #11

Love that quote - by the way, the dirty fucking hippies were right. polichick Apr 2015 #32

Yes we were, and we still are! haikugal Apr 2015 #58

Right on! polichick Apr 2015 #66

Yes they (we) were..... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #129

You do have elsewhere to go treestar Apr 2015 #37

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #68

Thank you. woo me with science Apr 2015 #106

you are not the base treestar Apr 2015 #17

I think you mean the proactive people they work for betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #19

The base would be people who try to get donors treestar Apr 2015 #36

I disagree, I think Ken is a part of the base. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #25

The base turns up reliably treestar Apr 2015 #35

actually, they are supposed to serve us PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #38

No the party is "us" treestar Apr 2015 #39

well, I push the candidates I want pretty constant. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #42

I have yet to see where other candidates are not allowed to run, you can't lay blame at the DNC. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #59

They are not a pulic servant until they are elected. And if we are active in the party we are the jwirr Apr 2015 #71

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #70

No, the party has changed, the "base" is still liberal. The party, as evidenced by so many posts on cui bono Apr 2015 #104

Do primaries always play chicken over pulling a Nader? daredtowork Apr 2015 #127

Obama, Clinton and the DLC still believe they can replace betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #21

I'm going to vote for the Dem nominee, whoever it may be. The Party doesn't want my thoughts. Shrike47 Apr 2015 #27

Yep. Then when they lose elections they blame us. If they want our votes, they have to .... Scuba Apr 2015 #29

See the post below you treestar Apr 2015 #41

When they lose elections, a Republican wins and screws us. I know, not popular. Don't care. n/t libdem4life Apr 2015 #45

There's a sure way to have influence in the Party, and that's to help build the Party over the years struggle4progress Apr 2015 #30

They're changing who 'the base' is. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #31

I dont think that's the attitude. DCBob Apr 2015 #34

That calculation seems to work well enough for the purposes of those doing the math, Ken. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #43

Bollocks, Ken - your OP is full of it. "other than the frontrunner"? Ridiculous muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #44

It's crap like "there's no difference between Hillary and Republicans" that turns people off voting workinclasszero Apr 2015 #108

republican party leaders often yields to the policy wishes of the far-right. Our party pampango Apr 2015 #48

I like this H2O Man Apr 2015 #49

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #52

Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53

They ALREADY have somewwhere else to go - HOME Glitterati Apr 2015 #55

Real true blue dems vote quid pro bono HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #56

I have said it before and I will say it again, they are creating a vacuum and Autumn Apr 2015 #57

Except -- they're right. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #64

To make the question a bit clearer: Seriously, where would we go if we want to protect what little jwirr Apr 2015 #75

I can't count the number of times I have been told I support Republicans just today alone. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #65

Only if they have a moral center. Jakes Progress Apr 2015 #69

You are not the base. MineralMan Apr 2015 #72

Whoa there. Many of us have done those things. madfloridian Apr 2015 #73

Past tense? MineralMan Apr 2015 #74

Some of us do what we can now. madfloridian Apr 2015 #76

You don't have to justify yourself to anyone, madflo. smokey nj Apr 2015 #91

I've done ALL of those things...for decades. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #81

That's not what the base is. The base is the voters who vote for a particular party. cui bono Apr 2015 #95

Of course, you're right. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #100

So if we don't do those things we are not the Democratic base? Autumn Apr 2015 #119

I wish I had said that. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #78

Research speeches by many influential Democratic leaders like Rahm Emanuel or Al From and democrank Apr 2015 #79

I am no one's "base" and my vote is my own. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #80

I don't think the dc dems want the votes. The president was desperate to get a republican congress Doctor_J Apr 2015 #85

Why? MFrohike Apr 2015 #86

You know why they keep on doing this? Because they CAN AZ Progressive Apr 2015 #103

The problem is the cure may be worse than the disease 1939 Apr 2015 #110

Issues, not party loyalty, DirkGently Apr 2015 #120

That's for damned sure. n/t LWolf Apr 2015 #124

Bull shit upaloopa Apr 2015 #126