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RainDog

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175. We should have a system that doesn't hold science and medicine hostage to prejudice

Sun May 6, 2012, 08:52 PM

May 2012

what's going on right now, with the scheduling of marijuana, is an example of bad govt.

People in this nation want marijuana to be removed from Schedule I, as their votes on this issue, and the poll numbers indicate.

The reason people want marijuana to be removed is because they know cannabis has medical value and they don't want some bureaucrat's job to stand in the way of using the most beneficial and cost effective medicine - esp. in cases like chemo or HIV/AIDs. But not just those - as I noted, MS, CP, epilepsy - cannabis is a good and beneficial substance that helps people.

That's scientifically correct.

But no one at the federal level will deal with the reality of what science and the people in this nation are telling them.

That's an example of bad government.

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Obama has become more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in U.S. history [View all] pscot May 2012 OP

As a MMJ patient, I agree with this. fuddyduddy May 2012 #1

He needs to explain this. He really does! n-t Logical May 2012 #2

+1. SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #3

It's the Congress' fault pscot May 2012 #6

So how do you explain the fact that there is legislation that allows Holder to truedelphi May 2012 #77

Holder is on a very short leash pscot May 2012 #100

I beg to differ. I mean, currently he may be on a leash, truedelphi May 2012 #118

i agree with you and it is baffling. California residents have fought a long hard battle xiamiam May 2012 #191

My heart feels very heavy when I think about his actions. truedelphi May 2012 #219

It is politics pure and simple...he will be crucified if he supports marijuana use in any form... rfranklin May 2012 #78

You are saying it is prudent to trade 3 Democratic votes to get one conservative to vote for him? Dragonfli May 2012 #88

I disagree. Webster Green May 2012 #137

100% correct. Bonobo May 2012 #173

Marijuana does not seem to be left vs right FrodosPet May 2012 #196

rfranklin tru May 2012 #208

Well, if my analysis is wrong, he wouldn't vote for himself! rfranklin May 2012 #216

Exactly. FedUp_Queer May 2012 #210

Only 23 to 25% of all Americans are truedelphi May 2012 #217

I suppose if Susan G Komen politicized healthcare, we all should... LanternWaste May 2012 #223

Expect to be flamed for telling the truth Tsiyu May 2012 #4

This is ProSense May 2012 #5

"It increased slightly in 2009 and 2010, but has been dropping slightly since." Logical May 2012 #7

What? ProSense May 2012 #8

Sometimes the DEA just comes in, and steals all your meds, cash, computers and then leaves. Webster Green May 2012 #25

Webster G: Do you think this has the potential to cost Obama CA? Tsiyu May 2012 #29

The talk on the street? grantcart May 2012 #34

Good reply... SidDithers May 2012 #39

Oh, it's been great. Webster Green May 2012 #42

I wonder if they're targeting particular dispensaries just to allow favored people to gain Uncle Joe May 2012 #95

They may be defending the oxycontin monopoly. pscot May 2012 #102

If that were the case, wouldn't they be going after all the MMJ dispensaries Uncle Joe May 2012 #104

That would be tantamount to operating at the molecular level pscot May 2012 #165

Not from the local officials' point of view. Uncle Joe May 2012 #179

From 420 College grantcart May 2012 #107

Have any of them been charged or prosecuted for making a profit Uncle Joe May 2012 #111

Show me a map of all the dispensaries in Riverside or San Bernadino or the Central Valley.... Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #56

bullshit complete total bullshit grantcart May 2012 #99

Well, I have to eat some crow. There are indeed dispensaries in Riverside. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #116

Sometimes a person has to wonder how if there is a god, truedelphi May 2012 #222

In Colorado it's $35 now plus another maybe $75 for Dr eval fuddyduddy May 2012 #80

My step daughter and fiance both have cards marlakay May 2012 #197

Not a chance. Webster Green May 2012 #40

That's good to hear, I suppose Tsiyu May 2012 #48

Yep. bemildred May 2012 #72

Not California, but Colorado could be interesting, and maybe New Hampshire Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #52

That's the real concern here Tsiyu May 2012 #57

I agree, I will vote for him too marlakay May 2012 #199

well, i do believe cannabis users, gays and peace niks are responsible people Tsiyu May 2012 #204

Wow did I frame that wrong! marlakay May 2012 #224

Yes on Amendment 64, and then prepare to sue the U.S. Government for failing to follow the 10th fuddyduddy May 2012 #82

No one I know in my circle of friends truedelphi May 2012 #126

That really concerns me the most this election season Tsiyu May 2012 #130

2009 was the year marijuana arrests accounted for the majority of drug arrests RainDog May 2012 #128

Thanks for adding this Tsiyu May 2012 #133

Well, ProSense May 2012 #153

I noted that exact thing. RainDog May 2012 #155

That damn Pelosi ... earthside May 2012 #10

So ProSense May 2012 #14

Prosense, are you actually claiming the Obama administration is NOT increasing Medical.... Logical May 2012 #11

*crickets chirping* fuddyduddy May 2012 #83

ProSense picked stats to favor an argument she wanted to make RainDog May 2012 #129

Oh bullshit! ProSense May 2012 #154

Federal policy determines drug schedules and laws RainDog May 2012 #157

It is not bullshit! Webster Green May 2012 #12

+1 happynewyear May 2012 #15

Yeah, ProSense May 2012 #18

Dispensaries are being shut down , and patients are being denied their meds. Webster Green May 2012 #30

Tell Tom Daubert there have been no prosections. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #62

Yeah, well the letter sent to Washington pscot May 2012 #74

Same here marlakay May 2012 #202

Fact. fuddyduddy May 2012 #85

Fact: ProSense May 2012 #171

Thank you for supporting with facts the people truedelphi May 2012 #221

ProSense tru May 2012 #212

Oh, you're posting that same shit again Tsiyu May 2012 #13

Oh ProSense May 2012 #16

Cherry picking facts is a Republican habit Tsiyu May 2012 #20

Actually, ProSense May 2012 #23

Right. We're all making shit up. Sure. Tsiyu May 2012 #26

Stomping feet meets condescension. n/t ProSense May 2012 #31

Yes, you do stomp your feet a great deal Tsiyu May 2012 #36

I would have imagined your already well acquainted with that LanternWaste May 2012 #225

Obama deserves credit for supporting reducing the crack-powder cocaine sentencing disparity... Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #47

What's changed in the last six months? rug May 2012 #71

Your pretty blue link and graphs are irrelevant as long as Cole memo exists fuddyduddy May 2012 #79

Interesting. ProSense May 2012 #139

president obama vs. candidate obama noiretextatique May 2012 #213

Obama's policies are just kicking in. truedelphi May 2012 #122

I don't know about the jobs lost. I really don't. randome May 2012 #124

Cannabis also helps PTSD, MS, other neurological problems Tsiyu May 2012 #135

Thanks for the info. randome May 2012 #138

Epilepsy, MS, CP, rheumatoid arthritis, glaucoma RainDog May 2012 #141

It is not just about cancer patients. It is about people with truedelphi May 2012 #220

ProSense tru May 2012 #211

what? stupidicus May 2012 #215

There are things that Obama edhopper May 2012 #9

Obama is more anti-medical-marijuana than any other president has been anti-illegal-drugs saras May 2012 #17

Well ProSense May 2012 #21

Prosense, are you saying the OBAMA admin is NOT increasing attacks on Medical Marijuana?? YES/NO? Logical May 2012 #22

Apparently he or she does not want to actually discuss the issue Tsiyu May 2012 #24

Hey, ProSense May 2012 #35

Not believing your charts and 8x10 glossies doesn't mean I Tsiyu May 2012 #45

Then go back up, Prosense, and answer our questions fuddyduddy May 2012 #86

Look ProSense May 2012 #28

Heh. Your link just goes back to your original post? Webster Green May 2012 #33

Yes, ProSense May 2012 #38

In three years, Obama has matched Bush's eight-year total. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #66

It is so obvious....if you happen to live in ground zero, as I do. Webster Green May 2012 #69

I'm in Sonoma County. Who am I going to believe, ProSense or my lying eyes? Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #101

No shit! Not to mention Debbie Downer calling my friends crooks. Webster Green May 2012 #105

So you concede ... GeorgeGist May 2012 #51

Where on ProSense May 2012 #60

As a MMJ patient who has had fabulous results, I am particularly kestrel91316 May 2012 #19

Obama's not after you or any other MM user with a prescription........ TheDebbieDee May 2012 #46

False. Webster Green May 2012 #65

Yup fuddyduddy May 2012 #89

If that were the case, MJ would have been rescheduled or kestrel91316 May 2012 #119

That doesn't follow. randome May 2012 #123

you don't know anything about this issue RainDog May 2012 #158

No offense, Jamaal510 May 2012 #27

Which should tell you something Tsiyu May 2012 #32

And? Webster Green May 2012 #37

President O and the DOJ aren't going after Medical Marijuana users........ TheDebbieDee May 2012 #41

That is false. Webster Green May 2012 #44

I know this will sound Polly-Anna-ish but if these dispensaries TheDebbieDee May 2012 #67

False. Webster Green May 2012 #68

I was trying to be nice by saying that perhaps the people you know TheDebbieDee May 2012 #73

That is so naive. Boudica the Lyoness May 2012 #87

I posted something to that effect up thread before Uncle Joe May 2012 #98

YES! Boudica the Lyoness May 2012 #113

If that's the case, why would they leave so many alone? randome May 2012 #127

Why would the local officials ask for some of them to be shut down without filing charges? Uncle Joe May 2012 #168

Lemme follow this logic... theaocp May 2012 #94

Wow! Crooks? Webster Green May 2012 #97

people like you make me want to stay home on election day n/t RainDog May 2012 #185

If you're innocent, you have nothing to worry about pscot May 2012 #75

Ahem. I check my receipts from MMJ dispensaries fuddyduddy May 2012 #90

This is a lie. RainDog May 2012 #149

You are correct JonLP24 May 2012 #152

That is hardly proof of anything. treestar May 2012 #92

Is this a court of law or a discussion board? Webster Green May 2012 #228

Thank you! treestar May 2012 #91

One would also expect him to hear us out pscot May 2012 #108

I'm not talking about that treestar May 2012 #142

So what? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #43

You are so right on Tsiyu May 2012 #53

Absolutely right. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #61

Thanks for the laugh... whistler162 May 2012 #49

I know. Hilarious isn't it? Webster Green May 2012 #55

Say what you will about current Obama administration policies, tanyev May 2012 #50

In history? You mean the first since 1996 frazzled May 2012 #54

Do a Google search about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and cannabis. Webster Green May 2012 #59

Sure...it's hysterical when kids are rotting in prison over a plant Tsiyu May 2012 #63

Cannabis was legal in the U.S. for longer than it has been illegal RainDog May 2012 #148

More hostile than Chester Arthur? Capt. Obvious May 2012 #58

Yes, considering Obama is the most hostile President to marijuana usage born in this country. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #64

Chester Arthur birthers Capt. Obvious May 2012 #70

Hahahaha!!!!!! Major Hogwash May 2012 #151

Someone needs to look "tough on drugs" kenny blankenship May 2012 #76

In this issue, he's further to the right than Pat Robertson Nevernose May 2012 #81

Kurt Schmoke is a black politician who wanted to end the madness RainDog May 2012 #112

So how did that Million Marijuana March go yesterday? randome May 2012 #84

There was a GD thread about it earlier. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #106

George Washington didn't have a chance to weigh in on it, no doubt. treestar May 2012 #93

As a grower of marijuana, no doubt he would be aghast at Prohibition. kenny blankenship May 2012 #96

He would also be busted pscot May 2012 #109

Only from his cold dead hands! kenny blankenship May 2012 #110

What proof is there that he grew up and that he used it for medicinal purposes? treestar May 2012 #143

His letters and diaries prove that he grew it. Good grief! kenny blankenship May 2012 #150

No I don't care about it that much I guess treestar May 2012 #161

You are not paying attention. Webster Green May 2012 #177

I think all of the founding fathers Tsiyu May 2012 #103

So this isn't about medical marijuana after all, is it? randome May 2012 #114

not this bullshit again. n/t RainDog May 2012 #115

Gallup: Record-High 50% of Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana Use Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #117

Yes but they are at a "record-HIGH" kenny blankenship May 2012 #121

However, medical marijuana is more popular than Obama RainDog May 2012 #134

That doesn't make it legal automatically treestar May 2012 #145

Our political process is so corrupt RainDog May 2012 #147

Oh baloney treestar May 2012 #162

We should have a system that doesn't hold science and medicine hostage to prejudice RainDog May 2012 #175

As the federal law stands now Tsiyu May 2012 #120

I'm sure as hell not arguing on behalf of ridiculous penalties. randome May 2012 #125

My original point was concerning voter disenfranchisement. Tsiyu May 2012 #131

Understood. randome May 2012 #132

If it's a felony conviction, yes, states' laws vary Tsiyu May 2012 #136

A felony conviction takes away someone's right to vote. RainDog May 2012 #140

The FF got stoned a lot? treestar May 2012 #144

actually, hemp was one of the major crops in the U.S. for more of our history than not RainDog May 2012 #146

Exactly! Webster Green May 2012 #156

Hemp has many uses treestar May 2012 #164

Your attempt to make the term "pot users" some sort of pejorative is just plain sad Tsiyu May 2012 #167

it's a stupid argument b/c it's ahistorical RainDog May 2012 #172

My sentiments exactly Tsiyu May 2012 #174

it's not my attempt RainDog May 2012 #169

bullseye xiamiam May 2012 #193

Was it WC Fields who said Tsiyu May 2012 #203

Huh. This thread seems to have brought out some intense feelings. progressoid May 2012 #159

There are a lot of good Democrats who are POed about this pscot May 2012 #163

I'm one of those POed Democrats. progressoid May 2012 #166

The bush drug cartel is probably behind threats. loudsue May 2012 #160

Here: ProSense May 2012 #170

Well By Golly I have seen the light Tsiyu May 2012 #176

You misunderstood ProSense May 2012 #180

For your edification Tsiyu May 2012 #181

Nice post! Webster Green May 2012 #182

Thanks WG Tsiyu May 2012 #183

It was definitely ProSense May 2012 #186

They've all had a hand in it, of course. Webster Green May 2012 #188

Well ProSense May 2012 #184

You know what is really frustrating, ProSense? Webster Green May 2012 #187

agreed. RainDog May 2012 #190

Are you saying that Big Industry didn't (and doesn't still) influence the War on Drugs? Tsiyu May 2012 #189

All the ProSense May 2012 #195

yet Obama probably smoked more pot than any president in history. provis99 May 2012 #178

I thought this kind of truth telling were no longer allowed at DU donheld May 2012 #192

lets hope not xiamiam May 2012 #194

Any day now. kenny blankenship May 2012 #198

Well, don . . . Major Hogwash May 2012 #200

Well you certainly live up to your moniker Tsiyu May 2012 #205

I was taking Skinner at his word donheld May 2012 #206

One out of every ten Americans consumed cannabis last year RainDog May 2012 #201

Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken eridani May 2012 #207

Three things have changed since the 1990s RainDog May 2012 #227

states' rights tru May 2012 #209

these types of threads are honeypots for my ignore list.. frylock May 2012 #214

in general... RainDog May 2012 #226

That is actually not possible. Rex May 2012 #218