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Hoppy

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7. The basis for the o.p. was from the Obamacare debates with the Repubs.

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:11 AM

Apr 2015

Things looked like they were going south. Tom Hartman said not to worry, we will get single payer. Obama is playing 3d chess while the repubs are playing checkers.

We know how that worked out. I can't wait to sign up for my single payer.

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Obama's playing 3D chess - TPP. We just gotta trust him. [View all] Hoppy Apr 2015 OP

LOL tridim Apr 2015 #1

Well, TPP is a renegotiated NAFTA since Canada and Mexico begged to be part of it. Hoyt Apr 2015 #2

Damn I love it how you keep that begged nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #8

Hey, they weren't part of it initially, but the phones started ringing.. Wait till China can't Hoyt Apr 2015 #12

You keep mischaracterizing this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #14

Because I'm dealing with conspiracy theorists who believe Obama is trying to make us slaves. Hoyt Apr 2015 #15

If you think those who oppose the TTP region wide nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #16

Summers: "Nonetheless I believe that the right TPP is very much in the American national interest." Hoyt Apr 2015 #17

Yes, he is... and I was not purposely misleading. Let me link to my nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #18

Looks to me he says it's vital. You said he was against it. You can't spin that. Hoyt Apr 2015 #19

No, that is not presicely what he said nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #20

Nope, I'm laughing hysterically right now. Have a nice day, seriously. Hoyt Apr 2015 #21

I welcome your derision nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #22

I just think there are different ways to helping workers, as does Obama. Hoyt Apr 2015 #23

Like greatly weakening union rights nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #25

Would love to see how the TPP will prevent Vietnamese from organizing. Hoyt Apr 2015 #27

What part of weakening workers rights thoughout the zoneq nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #32

Now you've changed your question, but read 1StrongBlackMan's response. Hoyt Apr 2015 #35

Read my answer to him nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #36

I did.. This ain't NAFTA. The 40k calculation is based upon assumption that a trade Hoyt Apr 2015 #40

So are the losses to NAFTA I supppse nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #41

I'll duck in here ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #28

Like NAFTA did nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #33

I'm not certain about the Columbia FTA, CAFTA or the Korean FTA; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #37

Yes it did, side agreements nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #39

Could you cite those labor law changes in anticipation of TPP. Hoyt Apr 2015 #42

I already did to you no less nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #44

I've had this discussion earlier ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #52

It is by defintion, under international law., part of the agreement nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #54

okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #56

+1000 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #24

Mexico begging to be in TPP... Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #13

I hope you are right but I am bookmarking for later praise or ridicule when this game plays out corkhead Apr 2015 #3

I hope you're right. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #4

Chess is a game... bvar22 Apr 2015 #5

If you play chess ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

I know you don't like it, bvar22 Apr 2015 #47

Yes. Bumper-stickerism works well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53

he's giving the republicans enough rope to hang themselves. And he's the only adult in Doctor_J Apr 2015 #6

The basis for the o.p. was from the Obamacare debates with the Repubs. Hoppy Apr 2015 #7

I was watching National Lampoon's European Vacation the other day. When they hit liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #10

Well whatever chess he's playing, the middle class is losing. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #9

Last time he played that so called, "Chess" AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #11

Really? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #31

Why is it wrong the trust him? treestar Apr 2015 #26

why should he be trusted on this over bernie or brown or warren- cali Apr 2015 #38

TPP is a renegotiated NAFTa silly goose. Hoyt Apr 2015 #29

It is NAFTA alright, ON STEROIDS nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #43

Yep, corrects most if not all the problems cited by Robert Reich Hoyt Apr 2015 #45

Not according to the same Robert Reich you keep misquoting nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #46

He said he still supported NAFTA, just wishes it included better Hoyt Apr 2015 #48

No he has not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #49

Here he is. Your video shows just how pissed he is at Obama for ignoring him and doing a better Hoyt Apr 2015 #58

Pissed is your tendentious characterization nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #59

NAFTA was OK since he was an advisor, TPP which is an improvement isn't OK because Reich Hoyt Apr 2015 #61

Nope, it is because like many others nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #62

Oh, see, now -that's- not fair. Getting Reich to speak for himself HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #50

And I did not know the video existed until I covered a nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #51

By "renegotiated" do you mean how banks can now sue governments for derivative losses? pa28 Apr 2015 #57

Wow, you are really misinformed. NAFTA included the very same provision, as have 2500 trade Hoyt Apr 2015 #60

Tell it to the Sierra Club. That's their opinion. pa28 Apr 2015 #63

Rhethoric for the membership. Let's see some details. Hoyt Apr 2015 #64

NAFTA provided for complaints from member nations and financial penalties for failure to comply. pa28 Apr 2015 #66

Once again Obama has you covered. Straight from the US Trade Rep's Blog Hoyt Apr 2015 #68

Do yourself a favor before knitting things from your imagination on what TPP is or what NAFTA was.. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #67

The case you refer to -- Lone Pine Resources Inc. v. The Government of Canada (UNCITRAL) -- Hoyt Apr 2015 #69

And don't forget to add it to the list. It will probably be under, Doctor_J Apr 2015 #34

Wait...is it 2011? People are still using the 3D chess insult? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #55

Soon they'll be asking for all that hopey changey. great white snark Apr 2015 #65