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johnd83

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16. I think what is lost here is that any form of energy production results in something undesirable
Sun May 6, 2012, 09:59 PM
May 2012

The law of entropy basically says that when you convert energy it results in something undesirable. Of course it is far more complicated than that, but the point is that any form of energy production has significant drawbacks. We just don't know what the drawbacks of wind and solar are yet because they haven't been deployed on a wide scale. The automobile was considered a clean device because it didn't leave piles of manure all over major cities. In time, we know it causes a lot of damage. I worry that a lot of "clean energy" advocates overlook the potential downsides of the technology. I am not saying that fossil fuels are any better, I am just very dubious about how well we have thought out the long term impact of removing several dozen terawatt hours from the environment.

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I'm sorry. The choice is visible healthy power or hidden nasty power. NYC_SKP May 2012 #1
I don't think you understand cali May 2012 #2
For the equivalent amount of power generation for these particular residents, what would you prefer? NYC_SKP May 2012 #3
Yes, I do prefer hydro cali May 2012 #4
I'm not sure solar is a good choice for northern Vermont.. Fumesucker May 2012 #5
well, here's bernie talking about geothermal in Vermont cali May 2012 #8
It's terrific, it reduces use of fuel oil and gas and electricity, but it won't run the lights... NYC_SKP May 2012 #10
Hydro Quebec is a done deal. cali May 2012 #13
Nope, Vermont is 42. California is the lowest PER CAPITA user of electricity. NYC_SKP May 2012 #14
Ground source heat pumps are not the same thing as geothermal energy production.. Fumesucker May 2012 #12
Checking on this, I see Vermont was 71% Nuclear in 2005 for electricity. Wow! NYC_SKP May 2012 #6
The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which Vermont wants to close FarCenter May 2012 #7
We really will freeze if industrial wind ruins the Kingdom cali May 2012 #11
Tourism won't last FarCenter May 2012 #18
you've got that wrong. cali May 2012 #9
35% is still a big piece of the pie, more by far than the national piece of pie... NYC_SKP May 2012 #15
uh, did you miss the part where I said that cali May 2012 #17
South of Lahaina, far from Hana. NYC_SKP May 2012 #19
I think what is lost here is that any form of energy production results in something undesirable johnd83 May 2012 #16
Scale matters FarCenter May 2012 #20
The wind turbines can't possibly do as much damage as leaking gas tanks JDPriestly May 2012 #21
Coupla things about the Kingdom, and bad people Mopar151 May 2012 #22
I actually wouldn't object to East Mountain being used as a cali May 2012 #24
I did. Mopar151 May 2012 #26
Oh Noes! MadHound May 2012 #23
You have NO idea what you're spewing about. None. cali May 2012 #25
I think the towers are graceful in appearance. Throd May 2012 #27
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