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RoccoR5955

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85. That is BS!

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:28 PM

Apr 2015

Because had ALL the votes in Floriduh been counted, we wouldn't have had Dubya.
It had nothing to do with Nader. Nader finished third with 97,000 votes.
What about Buchanan with 17,000 votes, Brown with 16,000 votes, Hagelin with 2,200 votes, Morehead, with 1800 votes, or Phillips, with 1300 votes? If any of these candidates were not on the ballot, and even half of the people who voted for any of them voted for Gore, Gore would have won.

I am sick of people blaming Nader for Gore's loss, when it was the RepubliCONs in Floriduh, and the Supremes Court who stopped the counting of all the votes in Floriduh. That, along with the fact, that there was a considerable number of minor party candidates, several of whom could have been put there as spoilers, were more than a factor than Nader was.

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If you don't like HRC don't vote for her. seriously, nobody is going to beg you [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP

People should vote as they choose. Always. MineralMan Apr 2015 #1

K&R for your response here. We can't have a GOP POTUS, period. Wish I had your confidence on that.nt freshwest Apr 2015 #49

Not confidence. Just hope driven by desperation. MineralMan Apr 2015 #55

Agreed, we're living a Koch poisoned media atmosphere. It takes its toll. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #61

A vigorous primary often means a STRONGER candidate in the general. Not weaker. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #158

Uh, I'm in favor of a strong primary. MineralMan Apr 2015 #160

Good. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #161

See, here's the thing: MineralMan Apr 2015 #162

You have zero influence? Shit, i dont. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #163

By the time the presidential primaries come to my state, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #175

Oh, my primary -vote- doesn't carry a ton of weight, either. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #179

"The alternative is unthinkable." workinclasszero Apr 2015 #83

2007 called. It wants it's OP back. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #2

If somebody else wins the primary, I'll be voting for him/her. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #4

Fantastic. What state is this Some One person from? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #5

In 2007, Obama announced only in February, but won the damned thing! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8

Yes, he was. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #16

I will correct my OP. I'd checked and a CNN article dated May 2 came up. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #20

You're welcome. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #28

This time around, Sanders DIDN'T announce in February...neither did Warren brooklynite Apr 2015 #66

the 2007 announcement was only a formality, he already had an organization going and everyone knew JI7 Apr 2015 #140

So in essense, the argument to support Hillary in the primaries is "you have no other choice" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #159

Those are your words, not mine. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #167

Apparently, you should talk to the people you're presumably railing against, then. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #168

Well, you were the one that was railing to me, so... Thor_MN Apr 2015 #169

And every time you think you're being clever with that "someone else" shtick Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #170

What's the problem? Since you are not one of the people that you believe I'm railing against, Thor_MN Apr 2015 #171

I'd need to see the "right wing attacks" in question, before I would agree with that assessment Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #172

How, precisely, did you decide that my "POWERFUL MESSAGE" is no other choice? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #173

I'm gonna do what you did, in your post here. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #178

I can speak for myself and it is damn impudent for you to think you can (incorrectly) summarize Thor_MN Apr 2015 #180

Oh, my, I've been "impudent". Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #181

No, you have conflated what I have said with what you would like to think I said. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #184

"I'm not sure why you want to defend Right Wing Trolls" - straw man. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #185

We are having a Primary....she is just walking away with because WE Democrats WANT HER!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #36

"she is just walking away with because WE Democrats WANT HER!!!" darkangel218 Apr 2015 #48

Yes, WE Democrats... brooklynite Apr 2015 #70

Not all WE Democrats or WE Durs support her. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #71

Not all those opposed to her here ARE Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #78

Not all those who support her ARE Democrats... cui bono Apr 2015 #121

I think that when we get a few other Democrats campaigning Hillary's poll Autumn Apr 2015 #74

Why...she had those numbers before SHE announced... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #80

So she's polling to win a primary in which she is the only candidate. cui bono Apr 2015 #119

The names of other prospective candidates have always been included in polling... brooklynite Apr 2015 #143

Still no officially declared and signed-up candidates, are there? Other than HRC? pnwmom Apr 2015 #84

Exactly! its too early to say shes walking away with the nomination! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #86

Excuse me? You are putting words in my mouth. Taylorz Apr 2015 #76

Exactly. Well said. cui bono Apr 2015 #122

You don't have to be an HRC supporter to be a Democrat. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #87

"walking away"? You have decided it already? nt Logical Apr 2015 #130

Yeah, a good example of magical thinking. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #134

It's tough. It is between Alfred E Newman, or Pat Paulsen still_one Apr 2015 #3

Really? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #6

that was unfair on my part arely staircase Apr 2015 #7

hits bottom G_j Apr 2015 #9

fuck nader and his merry band of losers and cheney enablers nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #15

Nader has nothing to do with this and you know it. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #77

and his merry band of losers nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #104

You can't equate all anti-HRC sentiment with Naderism. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #107

That is BS! RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #85

why not throw in Attiila the Hun for good measure? nt G_j Apr 2015 #112

It gets really old doesn't it? nt Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #67

Naderites like Rahm Emanuel? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #13

+ 1,000,0000,000,000,0000 to that simple fact of life reddread Apr 2015 #149

+100000000000000. ^THIS^ misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #35

Bitter Naderites? Seriously? DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #10

Naderites? Who are the "Naderites"? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #11

losers and GOP fellow travellers. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #17

So we are "losers" for not wanting to vote for Clinton? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #39

Kinda seems like a "with us or against us mentality" Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #64

more like a who gives a shit what people who claim to be dems but never support one think mentality arely staircase Apr 2015 #111

Examples of those "plenty of regular posters here who have never openly supported a democrat on this darkangel218 Apr 2015 #115

that is against the rules (naming people) nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #116

Feel free to PM me. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #118

Cop Out. bvar22 Apr 2015 #124

+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #126

naderites are losers arely staircase Apr 2015 #106

LMAO!!! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #114

So losers and GOP "fellow travellers" need not apply? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #42

+1 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #43

Who are you...the Spawn of Benchley? Ken Burch Apr 2015 #79

People should vote for whomever they want. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #12

The reptilian brains ARE the opponents! Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #14

If you don't like HRC (you need a comma here) don't vote for her. That's absolute genius ! Hoppy Apr 2015 #18

what do you mean by 'do't'? arely staircase Apr 2015 #21

Unfortunately, I have bad eyes (blind in one of them) so when I am posting on iPhone, stuff happens. Hoppy Apr 2015 #24

Petty. Grow up. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #38

Hillary is that you? Enrique Apr 2015 #19

bull. I will get robot calls, mail, email, friends, unknowns, radio ads, JanMichael Apr 2015 #22

why? you think Al Gore is a capitalist lap dog and so will be Clinton? arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

a realist. go back to the du archives from 2001 on. JanMichael Apr 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalElite Apr 2015 #23

lol. I voted for Obama twice, donated, and canvased for him. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #26

+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #37

Quelle surprise. JTFrog Apr 2015 #50

Just as nasty as calling DUrs Naderites and losers , like the OP did. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #51

Yea, that's much nastier than what that poster said. JTFrog Apr 2015 #52

Im not going to alert on you. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #53

I wouldn't care if you did. JTFrog Apr 2015 #54

I wouldnt bother. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #56

You are so cute. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #63

Except you do bother all the time. JTFrog Apr 2015 #94

I was refering to alerting on you, since you thought i would darkangel218 Apr 2015 #95

IBTD. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #97

! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #108

hate away then. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #44

Nice community standards DU. JTFrog Apr 2015 #45

we'll see. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #68

You could take your chances I guess. JTFrog Apr 2015 #69

she'll have my support PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #72

I guess some of us will just have to work twice as hard then. JTFrog Apr 2015 #93

Must support Democratic nominees. bvar22 Apr 2015 #125

I was a Hillary supporter to the very end in 2008 Autumn Apr 2015 #102

Eagerly anticipated? JTFrog Apr 2015 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Apr 2015 #110

It's a primary, we don't all agree on who should be the candidate. And that is okay. Autumn Apr 2015 #113

SLSPDD Puglover Apr 2015 #139

Hey! I missed you. Love the SLSPDD Autumn Apr 2015 #141

No, you shouldn't be called a Naderite. You should be called a Republican. tritsofme Apr 2015 #98

yes, actions do have consequences PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #128

Dress it up however you like. If you don't vote for Hillary in the general, you support Republicans. tritsofme Apr 2015 #131

Cart <horse. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #135

That is a very safe assumption. There will be a primary in 2016, but it will differ little from tritsofme Apr 2015 #137

In 2012 we had a sitting president. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #142

There are no other high quality candidates moving toward a run. tritsofme Apr 2015 #144

The multiple serious contenders were not yet in the race at this time in 2008. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #145

Obama announced in February, Edwards announced earlier in December. tritsofme Apr 2015 #146

There's more than a year before the convention. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #148

There is actually precious little time for a top tier candidate to get in the race. tritsofme Apr 2015 #151

Typical of Clinton supporters. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #156

IOKIYAATW"D" reddread Apr 2015 #150

Cool! I glad it it works that way Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #27

My personal belief is: It's way to early for me to make up my mind about which Democrat I'm ... BlueJazz Apr 2015 #29

Most sensible post of the day. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #46

Thank you much. That was very nice of you. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #155

In the primary I won't no matter what....In the general there really would be no other choice. yourout Apr 2015 #30

If no one gives a shit, then why the need for OPs like this? djean111 Apr 2015 #31

Shh.. reverse psychology! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #33

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #65

I wasn't planning on. nt darkangel218 Apr 2015 #32

What's the point of having this same simplistic sufrommich Apr 2015 #40

I think the point was to insult G_j Apr 2015 #57

Exactly. nt darkangel218 Apr 2015 #58

Why can't we be friends DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #41

Sometimes I don't...speak...right. Iggo Apr 2015 #89

I'm rec'ing but wouldn't have put it that way. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #47

. Autumn Apr 2015 #59

You don't know people who aren't voting for Hillary, voted for Nader betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #60

Hillary hasn't paid me yet so I won't beg. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #62

2nd OP I've see this week trying to run offf Hillary voters. bvar22 Apr 2015 #73

Yep.. Taylorz Apr 2015 #88

Okay, then! Iggo Apr 2015 #75

May not vote for her in the primary, depends on who runs MiniMe Apr 2015 #81

Political opposition is not hate. LWolf Apr 2015 #82

They are not Naderdites, unfortunately can't say what they are here. William769 Apr 2015 #90

+1 n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #91

DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #92

so you think pissing off other dems wins elections betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #96

What is a dameocrat, anyway?...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #99

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #101

Someone alerted... Agschmid Apr 2015 #117

Thanks for the heads up... SidDithers Apr 2015 #120

OK. But, my vote is not decided on the "likeability" factor. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #100

I can't predict the future BainsBane Apr 2015 #105

We don't have to beg, they'll vote for her. ileus Apr 2015 #109

You forgot the link to the Onion, or maybe Highlights? cui bono Apr 2015 #123

Are we back in grade school? marym625 Apr 2015 #127

does seem more like batshit ratfucking than electioneering, doesnt it? reddread Apr 2015 #153

I believe it is marym625 Apr 2015 #154

LOL, drunk? This post cracked me up. nt Logical Apr 2015 #129

Fascinating. Yet *another* deliberately baiting post by the "defenders" of Hillary. woo me with science Apr 2015 #132

This has probably already been asked, but why post this dumbass invective if you "don't care"? whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #133

If you don't give a shit why the need to insult people? I will vote for Sanders no matter how liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #136

it really is about wanting attention and people to beg them JI7 Apr 2015 #138

Hillary, please save us from your supporters. nt. neverforget Apr 2015 #147

Oh, yeah, there hasn't been any abuse of non-HRC fans here Doctor_J Apr 2015 #152

I dont want her to "beg for" my PRIMARY vote. Silly me, I'd like her to EARN it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #157

wow. lol! m-lekktor Apr 2015 #164

wha? Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #165

I don't know which is more amusing: the assumption that Hillary will be elected, winter is coming Apr 2015 #166

Jeezus, Mary and Joseph. ...... A year and a half of this shit. marmar Apr 2015 #174

Bookmarking this Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #176

WQe certainly do have haters in our party too. bobGandolf Apr 2015 #177

. Rex Apr 2015 #182

I have no special hatred for Hillary. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2015 #183

"...it's becoming quite apparent who the Dems are going to choose as their nominee." Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #186