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HereSince1628

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27. It's certainly part of the basic sociology of Us vs Them relationships

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:14 PM

Apr 2015

To me it seems a textbook definition of the over-the-top enthusiasm for the Us-group that leads to chauvinistic bigotry. What I've read on DU includes a peppering of the use of the mentally ill as third parties who stand as icons of what's wrong with the opposing side's heroes, activists/advocates/etc. Sad that the tolerant socially concerned folks we think ourselves to be, do this. But, we seem to willingly do it for 'the cause'

I'm not sure if I'd say it has to do with narcissism. I'm not well read on narcissism, but I understand it is built on developmentally early 'narcissistic wounds' that require being fed with 'narcissistic supply' of support, rising in some cases from need for adoration. In that respect, I do think some of the chauvinism is to say "Look I'm one of the ___-group, too! Take me in!" Which I suppose could be considered an appeal for narcissistic supply.

Without trying to overthink this, it could be said that we're just poor at being advocates without being oppositional.

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Why do HRC supporters think that baiting anti-HRC Dems will HELP their candidate? [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2015 OP

Probably the same reason Bernie supporters.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #1

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner/NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #5

BINGO! eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #70

I don't hear Bernie supporters call Hillary supporters, Republican supporters. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #85

At least Bernie doesn't have the blood of one million dead Iraqi civilians dripping KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #108

Neither does HRC MaggieD Apr 2015 #123

Denial - Not just a river in Egypt. - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #143

I haven't seen that.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #122

Bingo!! demosincebirth Apr 2015 #130

maybe they are PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #2

With Obama...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #60

... BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #71

Why do anti-Hillary posters think that by insulting Hillary or her supporters hrmjustin Apr 2015 #3

I agree, i have a candidate in which I can support who is capable of being president and if she Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #129

Agreed! Thankfully the Clintons are prepared for this. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #131

The anti-Hillary group think they own the democrtic platform demosincebirth Apr 2015 #133

And if you don't agree you are a dino. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #134

some may think it's ok not to vote if their choice isn't nominated. Like a kid taking his bat demosincebirth Apr 2015 #140

Agreed! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #141

Funny we could say the same about you guys nt LiberalElite Apr 2015 #154

She's going to be the nominee so who has the platform? demosincebirth Apr 2015 #156

And vice-versa. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #4

Baiting is nowhere more prevalent than in the hit pieces of the anti Clinton posters. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #6

+100 nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #9

Agreed! It certainly is not easy to be an HRC supporter on DU. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #10

No one who supports the candidate of the 1% and the Pentagon can claim to be a victim. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #19

Where the hell did I claim to be a victim? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #21

The phrase "It certainly is not easy to be an HRC supporter on DU" sure sounded like that. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #43

With respect I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #46

Needs to be repeated over and over. I laugh everytime someone proclaims Hillary being the "champion" for the people... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #25

+1 n/t MissDeeds Apr 2015 #31

Who is NOT a candidate of the 1% in some part of their political career. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #28

Same old casuastries that got us here . Oh and by the way orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #30

Dennis wasn't. Bobby and Teddy weren't. Jesse wasn't. Elizabeth Warren isn't. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #45

That's a blanket statement. Times were different. The Dem Party was a solid & unified misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #65

Did you see what he did there? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #121

You won't get kicked out of here for " Attacking " the post . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #29

Nope because this is GD. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #82

And this one? Autumn Apr 2015 #53

I don't think anyone baiting anti HRC Duers are doing it sufrommich Apr 2015 #7

baiting? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #8

How was the vacation? Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Apr 2015 #39

I bought you some Eggo's... Agschmid Apr 2015 #40

I love Eggos! Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #95

HRC supporters aren't the only Democrats. Never have been. Never will be. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #20

And right there... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #128

There is no changing of minds here. I am not even going to try. William769 Apr 2015 #11

I agree that sexism and misogyny should be knocked down davidpdx Apr 2015 #145

Calling out bullshit on Hillary, your damn right I will. William769 Apr 2015 #149

So you don't care that Clinton supporters are making dishonest claims about bashing? davidpdx Apr 2015 #150

Can we all agree to stop calling each other "haters", please? leveymg Apr 2015 #12

Nope because it's unadulterated William769 Apr 2015 #15

So, what you want to do is fight, antagonize, and purge those who don't agree with you? leveymg Apr 2015 #22

It's not disagreement. It's pure unadultarated hate. William769 Apr 2015 #24

I appreciate your honesty. leveymg Apr 2015 #32

You want to see commitment? William769 Apr 2015 #34

Yep. I figured this is where the conversation would end. William769 Apr 2015 #64

Wasn't sure what to make of the post you linked to or how it relates to leveymg Apr 2015 #90

If you cannot see it in the links William769 Apr 2015 #92

Being kicked out of the ' Hillary Group ' personally by YOU,, orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #47

I take pride in my hosting. William769 Apr 2015 #48

Cotton Mather had more tolerance . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #55

You do understand the HRC room is for supporters only. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #54

Yes, before they kicked me out, I wanted 1 comprehensive fact, orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #57

You got kicked out for being critical of Hillary. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #58

Agreed, I was wrong . When have you ever heard Hillary unequivocally say that ? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #61

Thank uou for admitting you were wrong. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #62

Gasp! Quelle horreur! Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #153

Not really funny or what I said. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #155

What bullshit? HRC IS a globalist and a militarist, and her economic ideas DO put the rich first. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #49

Apparently you must have bad eye sight. William769 Apr 2015 #52

been here a long time, i take it? reddread Apr 2015 #124

So far, I am . . . leveymg Apr 2015 #132

ha. I doubt they will wait for any primaries or a convention reddread Apr 2015 #135

Have you seen this? RandiFan1290 Apr 2015 #146

Appears to be restating the status quo without expressing a difference with the questioner. leveymg Apr 2015 #147

DUers don't go into primary campaigns with rhetorical skills they want, they go in with HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #13

Do you think there is also some narcissism of small differences going on? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #16

It's certainly part of the basic sociology of Us vs Them relationships HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #27

I like your point about the contempt we have for the Republicans ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #33

Hate to break the news to you, but elections don't turn on snarky DU posts... tritsofme Apr 2015 #14

God, so much this. nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #17

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #42

Thread win. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #88

The "anti-HRC" Dems aren't going to vote for Hillary anyways... SidDithers Apr 2015 #23

That's a stretch. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #26

Except they state over and over they boston bean Apr 2015 #35

Some do, but as I recall many Hill supporters broke for McCain last time betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #41

Your use of "they" is a gross overgeneralization Jim Lane Apr 2015 #144

Just like the energizer bunny. Just not as cute. nt William769 Apr 2015 #36

Anyone who says they won't vote are out of the game, so why bother with them? freshwest Apr 2015 #97

I read a beautifully written HRC endorsement here yesterday, KMOD Apr 2015 #37

Criticisms of Hillary are generally based on her actual views betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #44

my point was, KMOD Apr 2015 #56

So there can be not criticism of a pro-Hillary post? What if the posters is also endorsing things jwirr Apr 2015 #105

The endorser was not saying anything about TPP KMOD Apr 2015 #106

I did not read the endorsement thread. What I was getting at is that many pro-Hillary threads jwirr Apr 2015 #111

I think you should absolutely voice your opinion on HRC's positions on the issues. KMOD Apr 2015 #112

Nor mine. jwirr Apr 2015 #113

Because we know we're right when we say you'll be voting for her. ileus Apr 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #50

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #66

Oh, LOL that pop chart based on answers to questions and other soft rhetoric Dragonfli Apr 2015 #83

Exactly...The compass you cited demonstrates that HRC is politically indistinguishable... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #84

I guess you missed Dennis Kucinich then, also, I am fairly certain that Bernie Sanders Dragonfli Apr 2015 #86

I used that chart to show where her and Elizabeth Warren are... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #89

It is flawed period and all results meaningless, that should have been clear as MO in my post Dragonfli Apr 2015 #93

I trust/hope you are referring to the generic "you" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #94

Then you should know better, it was Rubin/Summers deregulation under B. Clinton Dragonfli Apr 2015 #96

there's a difference gwheezie Apr 2015 #51

Baiting anti-HRC dems, baiting is by this group. Over and over again the same talking points Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #59

One could say that they have an almost...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #63

The Angry Army? Ha! It's like college football fans here WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #67

They're Projections had Al Gore burying the most harmful orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #68

The "I won't vote for Hillary ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #69

What I have seen from DUers who are Clinton supporters are MineralMan Apr 2015 #75

That's exactly what I was running back to say! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #81

Is standing by ones issues that the opposing candidate does not agree with an attack on the jwirr Apr 2015 #107

You must not have been here in 2008 when Obama was the Dem nominee. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #120

I haven't seen it asked. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #77

and...how many of us will be welcomed aboard WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #79

It's very similar to how the pro-Obama folks treated those of us who were skeptical Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #72

Who wants to waste their time ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #73

You. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #115

Why not? NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #117

What kind of logic do you call that? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #118

It's a statement of fact. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #119

Here was my response to this: woo me with science Apr 2015 #74

Point Taken, Thanks. orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #76

Interesting speculation betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #80

Reach out? Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #78

the Anti Clinton people are turning me off and making it easier for me to support Hillary JI7 Apr 2015 #87

Then we balance each other out because the proHillary crowd is making it easier for me dflprincess Apr 2015 #98

there are others interested in running such as o'malley, webb, sanders ,why don't you get behind JI7 Apr 2015 #99

I will certainly get behind Bernie if he runs dflprincess Apr 2015 #100

sorry, but if you have already said you aren't going to vote then it has nothing to do with JI7 Apr 2015 #101

Let me make sure I understand dflprincess Apr 2015 #102

i would support any democrat who ends up the nominee including those i may not like JI7 Apr 2015 #103

In 2008 I would have voted for her as well dflprincess Apr 2015 #104

most of the party doesn't view her as evil JI7 Apr 2015 #109

Then far too much of the party is willing to sell the middle & working classes out to Wall Street dflprincess Apr 2015 #142

If I am proud of anything it is the fact I have started one whole thread in the twelve years ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #91

because DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #110

It has nothing to do with garnering support. morningfog Apr 2015 #114

^THIS!^ Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #116

The real baiting will happen after the primary is handed to her on a Goldman platter. L0oniX Apr 2015 #125

If she wins the primary, I will take a temporary hiatus from DU. Maedhros Apr 2015 #137

I'm a real FDR Democrat so I guess that makes me an Independent like Bernie. L0oniX Apr 2015 #138

Most of the fawning hero-worshippers are on my ignore list. Maedhros Apr 2015 #139

the battle is between our nominee and the repugs samsingh Apr 2015 #126

Do you really believe there is a single DUer ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #127

LOL! We regulars here are all political junkies. There I said it. SO YOU KNOW Rex Apr 2015 #136

Supporters typically do much more harm than good. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #148

I personally wish everyone would quit clubbing one another over the heads about candidates BainsBane Apr 2015 #151

Baiting?? What the hell are you talking about? Is combating right-wing talking points B Calm Apr 2015 #152