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MineralMan

(151,043 posts)
19. Makes no sense to me, either.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:12 PM
Apr 2015

Over the years, I've watched the citrus and avocado farmers adopt measures to cut water use and make the water they use as effective as possible. When I was a youngster, irrigation was done by running water down ditches and furrows between orchard rows. Very inefficient and wasteful of water. Today, those orchards use precise sprinkler irrigation, excellent moisture measurements and even surfactants to make the water absorb quicker into the soil. Irrigations are closely controlled and water use is down dramatically from the old days. Installing those systems is very expensive, but is offset somewhat by higher water prices and reduced labor requirements.

In the old days, an irrigation required at least two workers to start and monitor it. Keeping the ditches running often required a lot of time and labor. Today, one person essentially opens a valve. That's it. The orchard has to be checked to make sure all sprinklers are working, but that takes just one guy with a bucket of sprinkler heads a couple of hours to walk the rows. I know, because I used to work irrigations back in the early 1960s. A lot of work, and before the irrigations all of the furrows and ditches had to be checked and repaired, if needed. Weed control was done by spring-toothing the orchard, and a completely new ditch and furrow system had to be created each time.

No more. Now, non-cultivation is practiced by everyone, and weed control is done with a tool that is towed behind the tractor that cuts off the weeds just below the surface. You can do the entire 15 acres in half a day, all sitting on top of a tractor. My 90-year-old dad is still doing that.

Build out that 15 acres on typical residential lots and the total use of water will go way up. Orchard farming the way it is done today uses less water than homes on the same acreage. So, there would be a net increase in the amount of water being used.

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The Water Wars...The North has been sending water south to the South and used to libdem4life Apr 2015 #1
I haven't heard about a Midwest drought. sufrommich Apr 2015 #2
The developing drought isn't really terribly serious in the upper midwest,yet HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #4
Yes, they're doing much better.My parents live on Lake Huron sufrommich Apr 2015 #7
Mainly Texas and Oklahoma KamaAina Apr 2015 #21
There has been some relief lately, but...see link libdem4life Apr 2015 #6
The way I remember it...a cow-calf team takes from 15-20 gallons of water per day. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #24
That sounds about right. It causes a rise in meat prices, as well. We used to have a pond for the libdem4life Apr 2015 #35
My parents, who are 90 years old now, MineralMan Apr 2015 #3
Interesting. Do farmers pay for water in CA? sufrommich Apr 2015 #5
Oh, yes, they do. Irrigation costs are the largest expense for MineralMan Apr 2015 #9
That's very sad. I imagine it's even made more dire sufrommich Apr 2015 #12
That part of Ventura County grows less and less MineralMan Apr 2015 #13
I can't imagine the thinking behind replacing farms with suburbs, sufrommich Apr 2015 #15
Makes no sense to me, either. MineralMan Apr 2015 #19
That stretch along 126 did used to be more "countrified" villager Apr 2015 #27
Yup. My old home highway has changed, and MineralMan Apr 2015 #29
they sell it to LA reddread Apr 2015 #23
This reminds me of the phony "electricity crisis" back in the early 2000's 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #8
I don't think CA's drought is phony. nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #10
But apparently man made... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #32
I can verify the last four years have been dry as hell REP Apr 2015 #11
This isn't phony. zappaman Apr 2015 #17
that would be the downside of allowing your media* to lie to you reddread Apr 2015 #20
Electricity is generated and distributed by people; rain is not nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #25
I live 1/4 mile from Folsom Lake. The drought is real. Throd Apr 2015 #30
LMFAO ...and then there is the reality of the water situation. L0oniX Apr 2015 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #14
I'd really like to know how they decided which cuts are happening where XemaSab Apr 2015 #16
From what I read,it depends on how effective a city's sufrommich Apr 2015 #18
I live there for 5 decades, had family in San Diego, and watched the entire LA to libdem4life Apr 2015 #22
yes, the Brown family knows how to have ditches dug reddread Apr 2015 #26
California Water Project PufPuf23 Apr 2015 #31
Come now - ISIS is a way more serious threat than no water. tenderfoot Apr 2015 #28
Nestle will start paying it's fair share aaaaannnnnnyyyyyyyyy day now right? bluevoter4life Apr 2015 #33
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