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H2O Man

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Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:15 PM Apr 2015

Message to the Left-Wing [View all]

“Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to who prepares for it today.”
-- Malcolm X

The current tension on DU:GD, between the pro-Hillary Clinton and the anti-Clinton groups, can actually be superimposed over other longer-term tensions within the Democratic Party. That, of course, comes as little or no surprise to most people in this internet community. What has changed, I believe, is that a growing number of people on the left are becoming convinced that -- due to the undemocratic effect that “big money has upon elections -- that the Democratic Party is becoming too much like the republican party, and that they are powerless to change it.

We can trace the negative influence that “big money” has back to Richard Nixon. In both 1968 and ‘72, the combination of legal and illegal contributions to the Nixon cause allowed him to be elected twice to the highest office in the land. The simple fact that money could so influence elections -- to the point that as repulsive a human being as Nixon could be elected -- demonstrates its unhealthy influence on democracy.

Perhaps the biggest change since then is that the US Supreme Court has ruled that money is speech, and has simply made what previously was illegal attempts to buy elected office legal. That this was a partisan decision is beyond question; indeed, it is as part as the Supreme Court’s decision in Bush v Gore.

This comes as no surprise to those who are familiar with, for example, Injustice Antonin Scalia’s interpretation of the Constitution. Speaking at a 2002 Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, Scalia said that the 1787 version of the Constitution was inspired, divine law. “That consensus has been upset by the emergence of democracy,” he told the crowd. He added that “the reactions of people of faith to this tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government should not be resignation to it, but resolution to combat it as effectively as possible.”

There you go: God wanted George W. Bush to be President, but was unable to influence the final outcome, because of democracy. Thus, Scalia & Company had to do for God what he couldn’t do for Himself. Big money in politics? Again, God’s will to promote the divine authority of the dollar.

For a variety of reasons, the tensions that we see here are being played out in direct association to Ms. Clinton’s campaign. For many here (and nationally), Ms. Clinton is an outstanding candidate. Not “perfect,” as no one is; but exactly who is needed at this time. They are confident that she will win. And that’s not only okay -- it’s a good thing.

For many others, she is representative of too many of the problems with politicians in general, if not the very personification of very specific political vice. They view her as working for the same corporate interests as the republicans, rather than the common people. They resent that they may not have a serious alternative choice in the primaries. And they believe that even if she wins the White House, it will not translate into positive gains in their daily lives.

How well do these two groups get along? Well, if we look at DU:GD -- which has been a rather tough neighborhood in past primary seasons -- the name-calling and other insults would suggest “not to well.” That’s not to say that there are not plenty of good contributions from both pro- and anti-Clinton people here. There are. And some people -- again, from both sides -- also raise some interesting questions for those on the opposing side to consider. Now, that’s the way it should be.

However, there is also a semi-organized “neighborhood watch group,” that coordinates attacks on many of the anti-Clinton Ops. I’m sure they believe the opposite is true, too; I haven’t seen evidence of it at anywhere near the same level, though. By no coincidence, this cluster identifies itself as The Democratic Party -- not part of it, but the established party itself. Likewise, they frequently point out the word “democratic” in the Democratic Underground, and express a belief that it indicates support of the party as they define it.

Again: this is a description of some, but definitely not all, of Clinton supporters. By no coincidence, if you are active in your local and regional Democratic Party committees, you will encounter similar atmospheres. There are a lot of good people who fully support Ms. Clinton; not as a “perfect” candidate, but as one capable of winning the election, and dealing with the reality of the dysfunction and corrupt reality that is our federal government. (There are others who are undecided, or who do not feel comfortable supporting Hillary Clinton.) And, among the Clinton supporters, there are always some who are bitter, or histrionic, or closed-minded, who project their personality traits upon the candidate.

In the end, politics is always about power. Those running national campaigns look to harvest two things from the public: financial contributions and votes. They are not primarily concerned with your thoughts or problems; rather, they seek to frame issues in a way where the largest number of voters will identify their thoughts and problems as being addressed by the campaign.

If you want your thoughts and concerns to be recognized, you need to start at the local level. To really have them taken seriously, you have to demonstrate that you can harness local power -- that means expanding your base of support within the community and surrounding area. To be successful, you need like-minded people, ready and able to invest in the effort to spread your position in the next town, city, and county. When you are able to do that, then those at the state level begin to pay attention to you.

Since human beings tend to be human beings, if you are able to do this, you will find the already established folks will take one of three positions: [1] they will want to join with you; [2] they will want to access your votes, money, etc, for their agenda; or [3] they will view you as their competition, and oppose you.

I agree with establishment Democrats who note that there are important differences between the two parties. I also agree with those who note that -- especially at the top -- the two parties have way too much in common. And I fully appreciate the beliefs of those who feel that we need a third party. What I do not believe is that, with a major investment of effort from the grass roots -- and I do not mean in one election cycle -- the Democratic Party can be made to accommodate almost everyone ….excepting only, perhaps, those Democrats who are most like their republican counterparts.

In my opinion, based upon decades of experience, that requires the left-wing of the party to engage in an organized outreach to the Democratic Left; identify as much common ground as possible; and, when possible, work as a coalition. Obviously, that does not mean that you’ll all vote exactly the same, all of the time. But it does mean that when there are good progressive-liberal Democratic Party candidates, that you will increase their chances of victory. That’s power.

When you start doing that, those at the next level up begin to take notice. They will notice a pattern emerging. And even those moderate-to-conservative Democrats who really don’t have that much in common with you, will come to understand that they can no longer take you and your vote for granted. They’ll stop thinking that you have “no where else to go,” because you’ll be making a stronger left-wing of the party your political residence. They won’t be able to treat you like they are your landlord in the Democratic Party any more. In fact, they’ll have to take a whole different approach, when they come knocking on your door, asking you to help them.

I’m not suggesting that this is the “only” way, but rather, just one possibility.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Message to the Left-Wing [View all] H2O Man Apr 2015 OP
Thanks for the thoughtful OP, but I'm confused about this piece 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #1
The Democratic Left H2O Man Apr 2015 #3
OK. Thanks for that clarification. nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #7
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #14
agree G_j Apr 2015 #41
The Moral Monday H2O Man Apr 2015 #44
Just want to say that I agree with you regarding the Left building a power base within the Party. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #76
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #78
'Sticks and stones' but names, well I've been called just about everything since I first began sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82
If you & yours H2O Man Apr 2015 #85
Lol! I don't know where this saying came from, but I think it was Dionne 'there is nothing so sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #90
Had it been my H2O Man Apr 2015 #94
Lol, that cracked me up. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96
Oh, it was strange. H2O Man Apr 2015 #98
All I can say is you are lucky he wasn't the 'shoot first ask questions later' type. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #100
I sent you a PM. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #125
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #19
The establishment hates the left RobertEarl Apr 2015 #11
I have to say H2O Man Apr 2015 #16
That was a nice thing to say RobertEarl Apr 2015 #108
True, that. H2O Man Apr 2015 #109
You know, Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #2
That is true. H2O Man Apr 2015 #5
How dare you bring a reasoned and rational analysis to DU:GD?! JaneyVee Apr 2015 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #8
The reasoned?? boston bean Apr 2015 #9
The other side isn't organized. It's more of a shotgun sorta deal. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #126
H20Man, this passage confuses me: tblue37 Apr 2015 #6
Sure -- glad to try H2O Man Apr 2015 #12
Thanks. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #24
Thank you, tblue37 ! H2O Man Apr 2015 #25
I will suggest that the tensions and reality of our current situation mmonk Apr 2015 #10
As I was writing H2O Man Apr 2015 #13
Are you trying to make me blush online? mmonk Apr 2015 #15
Ha! H2O Man Apr 2015 #17
And me of you, of course. mmonk Apr 2015 #18
In this post and the one following it you both express my beliefs but what you are suggesting takes jwirr Apr 2015 #49
I'm with you completely. I'm fighting on a lower level at the time. mmonk Apr 2015 #56
Thank you. I am located in MN and on the local level we are still pretty union and FDR Dems. So jwirr Apr 2015 #60
I'm both. Join the club. mmonk Apr 2015 #92
Nothing really matters. The 1% have already won. You all just don't know it yet or won't believe it. L0oniX Apr 2015 #20
Oh, I believe it. I have no doubt that a 1% candidate will win the Presidency, but they will do it liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #21
Agree & respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 2015 #23
I do too".... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #29
Thanks, AuntPatsy! H2O Man Apr 2015 #58
from your lips to god's ears. i'm increasingly discouraged; i hope you're right. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #35
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #62
yep, never throw down your weapon and run heaven05 Apr 2015 #43
If 6 were 9 .... H2O Man Apr 2015 #22
+1 mmonk Apr 2015 #30
+100. Speaking for myself alone, anything but vapid cheerleaderism seems often met ND-Dem Apr 2015 #34
I couldn't agree with this more. RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #50
In 2008, I had to remind myself, off and on, that candidates are not nevessarily a reflection of Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #127
+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #26
Nice OP! sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #27
I think this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #28
That sounds too rational, and it does not sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #31
It's hard. H2O Man Apr 2015 #40
Indeed.....the Left needs to show up at the meetings. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #33
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #45
I'm sure that you H2O Man Apr 2015 #37
Yes I do ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39
Great points. H2O Man Apr 2015 #42
Absolutely! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53
I did a lot of volunteer work when my kids were still minors, mostly with the schools Fumesucker Apr 2015 #61
My experience differs ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #64
It's a class thing.. Fumesucker Apr 2015 #65
You're kidding right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #73
Americans like to think they are egalitarian when they are almost anything but that Fumesucker Apr 2015 #84
Is it possible that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #103
The point I'm making is that the thoughts and concerns of the lower class were never even heard... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #111
This .. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #117
Are you incapable of grasping sarcasm? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #122
my experience mirrors yours. the schmoozers put in a minimal amount of actual work & ND-Dem Apr 2015 #119
And that is what many on the Left are doing now, across the country. It is exciting actually sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #91
KR ND-Dem Apr 2015 #32
I have no doubt "the Left" knows how to do grassroots organizing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #47
Based on your own definition of what "the left" is as well, & your own perceptions. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #115
What? Well ... okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #118
With all due respect, you are not "the Left". You said in a post to me days ago that the left cui bono Apr 2015 #123
No. I'm pretty certain I said "progressives ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #131
Okay, sorry for the delay. As I mentioned, back at work. Also recovering from strep throat! cui bono Apr 2015 #141
Think you ... but you do not get to define whatis or is not left "enough." 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #142
Thanks. cui bono Apr 2015 #143
HRC has defined nothing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #145
And she is not a liberal nor a progressive based on the actions of other Dems in history. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #146
Not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #147
No response to my response (#131)? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #139
I will... I'm back at work and just peeking in on tiny breaks... n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #140
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #52
There's also the whole "diversity of tactics" issue daredtowork Apr 2015 #102
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #36
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #68
Thanks. Politics is one vote, one voter at a time. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #38
Right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #69
Let me add a little view from the streets nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #46
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #70
You welcome, I am hitting my head against the wall though nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #71
In all fairness to your observation....I see things a bit differently KoKo Apr 2015 #48
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #72
How do YOU feel about the Issues I posted as you are a Dem/Dem? KoKo Apr 2015 #89
As long as you are leaving out the evisceration of social services daredtowork Apr 2015 #106
+100 ND-Dem Apr 2015 #120
These are my thoughts as well H2O Man. lovemydog Apr 2015 #51
Great post! Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #75
Artists & musicians provide healing balm for our souls. lovemydog Apr 2015 #77
Have a great time! H2O Man Apr 2015 #79
Thanks H2O Man! lovemydog Apr 2015 #80
You are absolutely right about it being a life long task. The Labor Movement did not happen liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #86
Yes, suffering economically and all the setbacks are extremely painful. lovemydog Apr 2015 #112
One of my first thoughts after Citozens United was passed in the SC, the GOP probably thought Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #54
Yeah. H2O Man Apr 2015 #81
Coalition building is a two-way street, and I mostly see PBass Apr 2015 #55
I concur. longship Apr 2015 #57
Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2015 #83
I have to admit, I am pretty much done with the whole thing. I am no longer a Democrat. That does liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #99
I respect that. H2O Man Apr 2015 #101
See, why the insults? I just don't get it. Did the Labor Movement want unicorns and rainbows? liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #107
Define "far left". I hear this phrase used so often here; it seems to me a way of dismissing ND-Dem Apr 2015 #121
Your mindset is that 'all the world is like a boxing match' so of course you see and thrive on Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #59
I think that you H2O Man Apr 2015 #67
And there is the dismissive stuff with no mention of the points made. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #95
It's a curious sport. H2O Man Apr 2015 #105
You will never start off by yourself to build up enough support to overturn gerrymandering Rex Apr 2015 #63
Gerrymandering of Congressional Districts State by State is a Huge Problem KoKo Apr 2015 #74
Huge problem. H2O Man Apr 2015 #88
The difference between yesterday and today? Corporate run government. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #66
You are absolutely right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #97
You are welcome and thank you for the thought provoking essay. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #104
We live in a county of very ignorant people. A country where people will not vote. YOHABLO Apr 2015 #87
Yes, you are right, H2O Man Apr 2015 #93
The last thing I want to do is venture into politics in real life, I've had more than enough of that Fumesucker Apr 2015 #114
And people that do vote but against their own interests due to unchallenged propaganda. mmonk Apr 2015 #110
Wonderful articulate OP, thank you. Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #113
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #128
As always burrowowl Apr 2015 #116
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #129
I live in a heavily Democratic state legislative district eridani Apr 2015 #124
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #130
I'm getting tired of telling you how much I like your mind. malthaussen Apr 2015 #132
Talk about timing! H2O Man Apr 2015 #133
I know that attitude well. malthaussen Apr 2015 #138
"Divine authority behind govt"?? Scalia describes kings. Beartracks Apr 2015 #134
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #135
Great quote from Malcolm X 100% JonLP24 Apr 2015 #136
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #137
If I may, for multiple reasons nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #144
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