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AtomicKitten

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13. It's deja vu.

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:49 PM

Apr 2015

What is happening now happened in 2008. Many of the HRC supporters are becoming obnoxiously agitated, demanding loyalty oaths, and working themselves into a blather. With any serious competition, the Hillary campaign is guaranteed to do/say whatever it takes including some unsavory tactics like before, adding further fuel to the fire and further agitating supporters. The campaign will degenerate into a food fight and if/when Hillary loses the primary, there is little doubt those emotionally invested at that level will revert to what Chris Hayes calls the demi-glace of crazy bitter.

Or she runs unopposed and those Democrats shut out of the process vis a vis no candidate their conscience allows them to vote for will either vote third party or write-in a candidate for president and vote D down ballot or, worse, stay home. I do not believe Hillary can win the general election. If it is Hillary against Jeb Bush, Bush will come across as the reasonable one simply by virtue of demeanor.

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A question for HRC supporters ... [View all] NanceGreggs Apr 2015 OP

When the stripes fade seveneyes Apr 2015 #1

One of the most beautiful animals on earth.... your point? hlthe2b Apr 2015 #5

Oh, please. We aren't going to start the PUMA shit again, are we? Arkansas Granny Apr 2015 #15

ya. didnt pay attention to the shit then. seeing it now and smells just as offensive. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #26

Exactly..... FarPoint Apr 2015 #106

I give up - I've googled it and read this whole thread trying to figure out what PUMA means. n/t patricia92243 Apr 2015 #125

Party Unity My Ass... SidDithers Apr 2015 #128

You know BainsBane Apr 2015 #171

Thanks Sid ... "Party Unity My Ass..." In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #209

So far, I haven't seen or heard of one Hillary supporter this cycle say they wont stevenleser Apr 2015 #210

spoiler alert AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #2

so you throw up a stupid puma gif? seabeyond Apr 2015 #9

What point are you making? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #10

It's deja vu. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #13

Wow! You think that little of us? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #16

Not of all of you, of course. The demi-glace. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #18

of course. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #20

what is meant by demi-glace? PosterChild Apr 2015 #93

Bush will use an arsenal of questions that can't be answered. orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #32

Translation: You would rather have another Bush in the White House R B Garr Apr 2015 #35

sorry, you are not allowed to put words in my mouth AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #36

Quote from your post: "...those Democrats shut out of the process vis a vis R B Garr Apr 2015 #47

If you're worried, get a better candidate. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #59

Get a better candidate to run, dont complain you don't have a better candidate unless Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #70

I'm worried now? Where did that come from? I was responding to your R B Garr Apr 2015 #99

Your not listening . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #39

Quote from the post: "...those Democrats shut out of the process vis a vis R B Garr Apr 2015 #46

Such BS. The agitation is 100% from the 'anyone but Hillary' ones. onehandle Apr 2015 #42

riiiiiight, just like last time AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #44

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #117

Actually, I suspect she has major support on DU as well... brooklynite Apr 2015 #150

That is the way I see it too. zeemike Apr 2015 #107

More importantly what point is the OP trying to make? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #48

To ask Clinton supporters if we would support a nominee if it is not HRC. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #51

Amazing how many non-HRC supporters have to stop by to "pee on the tree." MADem Apr 2015 #54

She is making an implication that apparently she won't make directly. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #58

And if O'Malley won and I announced I would not support him how would you feel? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #63

The big difference is that some people said years ago that they will not support rhett o rick Apr 2015 #110

With respect that is not what i asked you. how would you feel if I pulled a puma act? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #111

That's not what is happening here. I don't trust that she won't stab us in rhett o rick Apr 2015 #116

I am giving you a hypothetical. if you don't wish to answer that ok. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #120

Then think about supporting O'Malley. Why risk Clinton losing to Bush? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #122

Because he is boring and won't win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #123

If you are willing to risk losing with Clinton, you have no one (no Nader) to blame when she loses. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #124

O'Malley is a bigger risk. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #126

You are taking a big risk. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #129

Everything is risk. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #130

Poll: Most Democrats Are Ready For Hillary Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #148

At this juncture ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #175

"Most of the Party' okasha Apr 2015 #177

If you want a candidate that will kick Republicon asses, why would you choose one that rhett o rick Apr 2015 #197

There is no "implication" here. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #68

Oh Plez! rhett o rick Apr 2015 #109

More idiocy from both sides. longship Apr 2015 #81

Amen brother/sister Hobo Apr 2015 #222

Yellow dog. I will vote for the Dem most likely to win the general. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #3

+10,000 But I will vote for the nominee nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #71

Of course they will RobertEarl Apr 2015 #4

I will vote for the Democratic Nominee as I have always done. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #6

Ditto. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #25

Jarvis Tyner ,otherwise ALL Dems since 1975 . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #37

Agree. I will never be a Republican enabler FLPanhandle Apr 2015 #89

i am not a clinton supporter. i will vote any dem. supreme court matters. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #7

I will vote for the Democrat who wins the primary. DURHAM D Apr 2015 #8

I supported Hillary in 2008, but when she lost in the primaries, Arkansas Granny Apr 2015 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #12

We have a lot of DURHAM D Apr 2015 #17

And the frustrating thing about their bashing Obama is that it obscures legitimate criticism... cascadiance Apr 2015 #29

To some here, legitimate criticism like the TPP, drone strikes, domestic spying, etc. OnyxCollie Apr 2015 #85

No. You are right treestar Apr 2015 #14

It's easy to say yes from the comfortable position that HRC supporters are in cali Apr 2015 #19

We have all told you what we would do. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #21

Collectively? Absolutely. Those who have hooked and crooked the party to the right for a generation TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #180

Huh? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #182

You asked if the word was doubted. Speaking for myself about the collective supporters of TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #191

Oh. i guess we are done here. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #195

We're talking about 2016 ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #23

like I said, deja vu AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #49

In case you haven't noticed ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #60

But that's my point. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #73

If declarations are "scheduled" to appear ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #80

They voted for Obama. At least all the ones I know did. And he was elected, so I am pretty sure McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #24

We'll Hillary did say McCain was better experienced than Obama. morningfog Apr 2015 #62

I was here,a Clinton supporter,and there was no sufrommich Apr 2015 #66

I didn't say the "boatload" was here. I said there were quite a few here. and there were. cali Apr 2015 #67

I was one of the people who babbled something about not voting for Obama. StevieM Apr 2015 #118

I remember too. Ironic. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #173

This is not 2008, Cali leftofcool Apr 2015 #187

I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE. MineralMan Apr 2015 #22

Cali makes the crucial point, though daredtowork Apr 2015 #133

There was never really an old PUMA "movement". sufrommich Apr 2015 #136

I agree. murielm99 Apr 2015 #198

Maybe most "HRC Supporters" are really "Democratic Victory in 2016 Supporters." McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #27

Well, that's my thinking as well. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #31

That would be me. I vote for Supreme Court pickers. calimary Apr 2015 #94

+100000000000000. ^THIS^ misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #138

Pretty pathetic, not to mention annoying, to think that it all boils down to THAT. calimary Apr 2015 #179

Love your passion & truth. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #188

Yes, I will vote for the Democratic nominee KMOD Apr 2015 #28

I will vote and work for the nominee. And on Election Day...I will be protecting the vote. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #30

I am NOT a HRC supporter ... yet ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #33

I WILL vote for WHOEVER Dem nominee is. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #34

Exactly!! n/t R B Garr Apr 2015 #50

That foolishness is one direction only. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #38

Well said. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #41

Just as I did in 2008, I will. . . MANative Apr 2015 #40

I'd describe myself as leaning Clinton BainsBane Apr 2015 #43

I see the point you are trying to make, but it misses the mark. morningfog Apr 2015 #45

When someone says ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #79

They won't say the unnamed candidate they would morningfog Apr 2015 #216

Yeah, well ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #217

Hon, it's already happened once! morningfog Apr 2015 #218

I guess it hasn't occurred to you ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #221

You should read more carefully. morningfog Apr 2015 #223

If Bozo the Clown gets the Democratic nomination, I'll put a GO GO GO with BO BO ZO! sticker on my MADem Apr 2015 #52

This whole thread, which just asked an honest question, MoonRiver Apr 2015 #53

Not sure of the point you are trying to make, but there is a good point to be made here. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #55

Absolutely no question,I'm a democrat.I'll vote for sufrommich Apr 2015 #56

I will vote for a ham sandwich if it becomes our nominee. lamp_shade Apr 2015 #57

If a ham sandwich became the nominee ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #75

I am a supporter of Hillary but I am still Democrat and I will vote for the DNC nominee. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #61

I vote for the Democratic Party's nominee. Always have, probably always will... winstars Apr 2015 #64

The likelihood that a candidate further right than Hillary winning the primary is slim to none cui bono Apr 2015 #65

Who is your candidate? Andy823 Apr 2015 #97

I'm hoping Bernie runs, and I believe he can win. cui bono Apr 2015 #108

Of course I will! William769 Apr 2015 #69

I'm voting for the D...no matter what. My feelings aren't that delicate... ileus Apr 2015 #72

I am as confident that Hillary will be the 2016 candidate for president beachbum bob Apr 2015 #74

I vote democratic party. workinclasszero Apr 2015 #76

If I as a known HRC supporter on this site said I am not commiting to support the nominee hrmjustin Apr 2015 #77

My point is that if you can't commit to supporting the nominee you should expect to be challenged. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #78

Although I was just told in another thread that voting doesn't matter... zappaman Apr 2015 #82

Manipulative corporate talking points, woo me with science Apr 2015 #83

I posed a simple question of HRC supporters. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #84

Perhaps you should have posted MissDeeds Apr 2015 #88

Not all HRC supporters ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #91

That's a disingenuous response tularetom Apr 2015 #181

Actually, it was a very deliberate response. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #190

Is everything you disagree with corporate talking points? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #98

The cancer in our political process is most decidedly corporate, woo me with science Apr 2015 #104

And if hillary wins the nomination will you vote for her? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #105

Doubling down on the loyalty oaths now? woo me with science Apr 2015 #135

Loyalty oaths! Are you kidding me? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #137

Now you're playing victim? woo me with science Apr 2015 #139

"The manipulative message of the OP"? NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #183

... SidDithers Apr 2015 #134

+1 leftstreet Apr 2015 #140

Your picture of Detroit is a photoshop. sufrommich Apr 2015 #143

CNN: Homeless encampments known as "tent cities" are popping up across the country. woo me with science Apr 2015 #146

Oh my God, your picture is a photoshopped insult sufrommich Apr 2015 #147

+1 Agschmid Apr 2015 #154

I cannot imagine a Democrat who would win the primaries that I would not vote for. Hoyt Apr 2015 #86

In the General Election, there can be only the nominated Democrat. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #87

Ross Perot's run was essential for Clinton to win - twice SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #90

I thought the so-called Ross Perot influence was debunked by R B Garr Apr 2015 #95

Perot made Clinton victories possible and drove him to the right. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #156

No, the exit polls showed Perot drew equally from both parties... R B Garr Apr 2015 #174

Perot got 18% and campaigned for votes from the right. 7962 Apr 2015 #213

See post 174 please Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #214

No, that is a myth that has been debunked. Exit polls and other R B Garr Apr 2015 #215

^Yup^ SoapBox Apr 2015 #96

Wow....I'm not even sure what to say, so... SoapBox Apr 2015 #92

100% for HRC! Gamecock Lefty Apr 2015 #100

Of course I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. I care too much not to. nolabear Apr 2015 #101

of course I would even vote for webb gwheezie Apr 2015 #102

I Dont Think There is One person who would reply Yes busterbrown Apr 2015 #103

I will vote for the nominee whoever that is. Agschmid Apr 2015 #112

Dear NanceGreggs Thespian2 Apr 2015 #113

Yes... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #114

I agree- the more vitriol that's thrown at her here on DU, the more determined I am to support her. NBachers Apr 2015 #155

Same. Agschmid Apr 2015 #165

Hey, NBachers.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #169

The same broken record of complaints, playing over, and over, and over, and over . . . NBachers Apr 2015 #176

I'll stay with the~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #178

I will vote for the Democratic nominee stage left Apr 2015 #115

I will enthusiastically support whoever the Democratic nominee is. (eom) StevieM Apr 2015 #119

Fall in love, then fall in line. Of course I will vote for whoever is our nominee. patricia92243 Apr 2015 #121

Conscience? Cartoonist Apr 2015 #127

You're quite right. Bad as she is, Hillary is still better than Bush or any other Republican. Cal33 Apr 2015 #142

I'm a dead dog Democrat, so the answer is YES. Pathwalker Apr 2015 #131

Depends on who it is. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #132

Even though these party loyalty threads are obnoxious, you'll find your answer in the 2008 results. rug Apr 2015 #141

I think there are some people who won't learn from 2008, because their minds are already made up, Cal33 Apr 2015 #144

I will vote for the Democratic Candidate in the general election Gothmog Apr 2015 #145

No Hillary Clinton supporter here has ever said they wouldn't support the Democratic nominee... brooklynite Apr 2015 #149

I will support, vote for, and donate to *any* Democrat who wins the primaries. Period. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #151

I will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee.. chillfactor Apr 2015 #152

Nance: Yes, of course I'll vote for the Democratic candidate, whoever it is. NBachers Apr 2015 #153

I realize this is beyond your ken.. sendero Apr 2015 #157

Hillary is not a Dino. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #158

Not for social issues.... sendero Apr 2015 #159

Her owners? are you kidding me? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #160

I feel like.. sendero Apr 2015 #161

Fools huh. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #162

If you don't get.. sendero Apr 2015 #163

Got called a fool and put on ignore. I will have to pick up the pieces of my shattered life. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #164

!!! zappaman Apr 2015 #167

. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #168

... okasha Apr 2015 #184

. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #185

Oh boy... Agschmid Apr 2015 #219

Is this poster saying a woman can be "owned"? leftofcool Apr 2015 #192

I think the poster means she is owned by wall street but the poster can speak for themself. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #196

Wtf... Agschmid Apr 2015 #166

How did you get the idea that Democrats were anti-capital? BainsBane Apr 2015 #172

Owned? Women are owned? You should be ashamed! leftofcool Apr 2015 #193

I will vote for any candidate that the Democratic Party puts forward. cry baby Apr 2015 #170

You bet I will vote for the nominee! leftofcool Apr 2015 #186

I have no committed candidate right now but I know two things for sure whatthehey Apr 2015 #189

I'll work AND vote for Hillary if she's our nominee. oasis Apr 2015 #194

"I won't vote for HRC if she's the nominee" posts whereisjustice Apr 2015 #199

She didn't post If Hillary was the nominee will you vote for her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #201

We've all seen the "I won't vote for HRC if she's the nominee" posts.... whereisjustice Apr 2015 #202

With respect i didn't say what you are quoting. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #203

Hmmmm ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #204

"We've all seen the posts..." So you claim there is more than one. Would two whereisjustice Apr 2015 #205

Have you noticed ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #206

No, I haven't. So, can you supply the list or not? Just wondering. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #207

If you are curious ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #212

I pledge my loyalty JEB Apr 2015 #200

SCOTUS. I vote for Democrats. Hekate Apr 2015 #208

I cannot imagine a circumstance where I wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee. stevenleser Apr 2015 #211

It depends. I probably would vote for the person who wins the BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #220