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SusanCalvin

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82. Well, as I understand it,

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:09 PM

Apr 2015

in my simple-minded way, it's not just lawsuits against unequal treatment within a country, it's lawsuits against enforcing such things as environmental regulations.

If countries aren't, for example, allowed to establish and enforce their own environmental regulations, we're in a race to the bottom. (Of course, aren't we already.)

What I believe I understand of it so far (and of previous trade agreements) is that countries are not allowed to stand in the way of profit, for whatever reason.

Minor amount of research turned up:
http://www.citizen.org/documents/Fancy1.pdf
http://fpif.org/nafta-20-model-corporate-rule/
https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/212/45381.html

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