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Ed Suspicious

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Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:10 PM Apr 2015

Social contract. Political Theory Thread [View all]

I'm doing some reading/writing on the social contract. I'm a little unclear on a couple things, and I hope you can straighten me out or point me in the right direction.

Is the social contract an agreement between the people of a community to to collectively cede liberties to the state or is it an agreement with the state that we individuals will sacrifice some personal liberty in exchange for the protections/legal framework provided by the state? I know the difference wouldn't be terribly consequential, but it makes a difference to the way I am to frame my writing on the contract.

Is it an agreement between ourselves or is it an agreement with those we are to accept as our leaders, our sovereign?

Additionally, what is the state's role in the social contract? I'm writing about how we hold un-elected officials accountable to the social contract. I'm thinking specifically about police forces. I've referenced the accountability literature to understand that there are a few modes of accountability. These include vertical, horizontal, and societal (which is really a sort of branch of vertical.) I've also read about diagonal but I don't exactly understand it. I want to explore the most effective means of holding the un-elected agents of the state to account from a political theory perspective.

So my thought is that we are in an agreement with our government and that our end of the bargain is to cede liberty by way of paying our taxes to fund infrastructures such as the judicial system, and we cede liberty by agreeing to the rule of law and by following those laws. It is my position that it is the states end of the bargain to work to ensure that our liberties are not trampled, it is to settle disagreements between citizens, and it is to enforce the law. When we see patterns of police brutality, police killings, faulty no knock warrants, innocent civilians injured by police negligence, police abusing their authority . . . I argue that this is a break in the social contract.

Am I thinking of this in the right way and where can I find writing that backs up the idea that police are bound to the social contract and deserve to be held accountable for these transgressions?

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Man, if anybody here would take a stab at this or even took the time to tell me to piss off Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #1
Sorry, not something I am knowledgeable in. Interesting though. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #2
Thanks for replying. Feels a little less lonely now. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #3
I believe it is a contract among individuals PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #4
That makes sense. So we are the principles. We create the government and empower the governement Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #8
I have not read the book, but I think this is addressed in 'The Social Contract' Raine1967 Apr 2015 #5
Thank you. I'll check it out. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #13
here is something else that might be of assistance: Raine1967 Apr 2015 #6
Contract theory is a horrbile theoretical basis for a society. rug Apr 2015 #7
I very much appreciate your input and will be reading at the link shortly. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #12
I believe your premise is correct. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #18
A social contract is agreement among individuals in a society on point Apr 2015 #9
As I remember it from ~40 years ago, society needed a division of roles... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #10
Thank you. You just made me think of Rawls' veil of ignorance for determining whether police action Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #15
Depends... who you read nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #11
I'm thinking Rousseau wrote similar things to what the OP is thinking... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #14
Yeah, but he should look at Rawls nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #16
I was just thinking about Rawls. I'm not well read in his work but I am aware of his "original Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #17
You welcome, I discovered rawls during Occupy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #19
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