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H2O Man

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83. Interesting.

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:00 PM

Apr 2015

I know that I don't see everything on DU. I suppose that would be impossible, even if one tried. But, besides that, I do admit that there are a handful of individuals here, who I simply never "read." I never look at their OPs, and almost never read anything they post on a discussion, even if it is in response to one of my OPs.

A few are people that I last communicated with during the 2008 primary season; a few are people that I just consider bitter. And very comfortable in their bitterness and victim-hood. That's not a comment on their intelligence -- most are smart, informed, and good Democrats. I just don't like them, or find any benefit in listening to them any more.

Hence, it is possible, perhaps likely, that I miss most of the negative "I won't vote" posts that you refer to.

There are odd and silly people within every large group. There are some in both the pro- and anti-Hillary Clinton groups. (I do not see as many in the "undecideds," which is the group that I am part of.)

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Message to the Left-Wing [View all] H2O Man Apr 2015 OP

Thanks for the thoughtful OP, but I'm confused about this piece 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #1

The Democratic Left H2O Man Apr 2015 #3

OK. Thanks for that clarification. nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #7

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #14

agree G_j Apr 2015 #41

The Moral Monday H2O Man Apr 2015 #44

Just want to say that I agree with you regarding the Left building a power base within the Party. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #76

Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #78

'Sticks and stones' but names, well I've been called just about everything since I first began sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82

If you & yours H2O Man Apr 2015 #85

Lol! I don't know where this saying came from, but I think it was Dionne 'there is nothing so sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #90

Had it been my H2O Man Apr 2015 #94

Lol, that cracked me up. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96

Oh, it was strange. H2O Man Apr 2015 #98

All I can say is you are lucky he wasn't the 'shoot first ask questions later' type. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #100

I sent you a PM. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #125

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #19

The establishment hates the left RobertEarl Apr 2015 #11

I have to say H2O Man Apr 2015 #16

That was a nice thing to say RobertEarl Apr 2015 #108

True, that. H2O Man Apr 2015 #109

You know, Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #2

That is true. H2O Man Apr 2015 #5

How dare you bring a reasoned and rational analysis to DU:GD?! JaneyVee Apr 2015 #4

Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #8

The reasoned?? boston bean Apr 2015 #9

The other side isn't organized. It's more of a shotgun sorta deal. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #126

H20Man, this passage confuses me: tblue37 Apr 2015 #6

Sure -- glad to try H2O Man Apr 2015 #12

Thanks. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #24

Thank you, tblue37 ! H2O Man Apr 2015 #25

I will suggest that the tensions and reality of our current situation mmonk Apr 2015 #10

As I was writing H2O Man Apr 2015 #13

Are you trying to make me blush online? mmonk Apr 2015 #15

Ha! H2O Man Apr 2015 #17

And me of you, of course. mmonk Apr 2015 #18

In this post and the one following it you both express my beliefs but what you are suggesting takes jwirr Apr 2015 #49

I'm with you completely. I'm fighting on a lower level at the time. mmonk Apr 2015 #56

Thank you. I am located in MN and on the local level we are still pretty union and FDR Dems. So jwirr Apr 2015 #60

I'm both. Join the club. mmonk Apr 2015 #92

Nothing really matters. The 1% have already won. You all just don't know it yet or won't believe it. L0oniX Apr 2015 #20

Oh, I believe it. I have no doubt that a 1% candidate will win the Presidency, but they will do it liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #21

Agree & respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 2015 #23

I do too".... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #29

Thanks, AuntPatsy! H2O Man Apr 2015 #58

from your lips to god's ears. i'm increasingly discouraged; i hope you're right. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #35

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #62

yep, never throw down your weapon and run heaven05 Apr 2015 #43

If 6 were 9 .... H2O Man Apr 2015 #22

+1 mmonk Apr 2015 #30

+100. Speaking for myself alone, anything but vapid cheerleaderism seems often met ND-Dem Apr 2015 #34

I couldn't agree with this more. RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #50

In 2008, I had to remind myself, off and on, that candidates are not nevessarily a reflection of Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #127

+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #26

Nice OP! sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #27

I think this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #28

That sounds too rational, and it does not sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #31

It's hard. H2O Man Apr 2015 #40

Indeed.....the Left needs to show up at the meetings. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #33

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #45

I'm sure that you H2O Man Apr 2015 #37

Yes I do ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39

Great points. H2O Man Apr 2015 #42

Absolutely! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53

I did a lot of volunteer work when my kids were still minors, mostly with the schools Fumesucker Apr 2015 #61

My experience differs ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #64

It's a class thing.. Fumesucker Apr 2015 #65

You're kidding right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #73

Americans like to think they are egalitarian when they are almost anything but that Fumesucker Apr 2015 #84

Is it possible that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #103

The point I'm making is that the thoughts and concerns of the lower class were never even heard... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #111

This .. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #117

Are you incapable of grasping sarcasm? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #122

my experience mirrors yours. the schmoozers put in a minimal amount of actual work & ND-Dem Apr 2015 #119

And that is what many on the Left are doing now, across the country. It is exciting actually sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #91

KR ND-Dem Apr 2015 #32

I have no doubt "the Left" knows how to do grassroots organizing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #47

Based on your own definition of what "the left" is as well, & your own perceptions. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #115

What? Well ... okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #118

With all due respect, you are not "the Left". You said in a post to me days ago that the left cui bono Apr 2015 #123

No. I'm pretty certain I said "progressives ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #131

Okay, sorry for the delay. As I mentioned, back at work. Also recovering from strep throat! cui bono Apr 2015 #141

Think you ... but you do not get to define whatis or is not left "enough." 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #142

Thanks. cui bono Apr 2015 #143

HRC has defined nothing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #145

And she is not a liberal nor a progressive based on the actions of other Dems in history. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #146

Not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #147

No response to my response (#131)? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #139

I will... I'm back at work and just peeking in on tiny breaks... n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #140

Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #52

There's also the whole "diversity of tactics" issue daredtowork Apr 2015 #102

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #36

Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #68

Thanks. Politics is one vote, one voter at a time. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #38

Right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #69

Let me add a little view from the streets nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #46

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #70

You welcome, I am hitting my head against the wall though nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #71

In all fairness to your observation....I see things a bit differently KoKo Apr 2015 #48

Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #72

How do YOU feel about the Issues I posted as you are a Dem/Dem? KoKo Apr 2015 #89

As long as you are leaving out the evisceration of social services daredtowork Apr 2015 #106

+100 ND-Dem Apr 2015 #120

These are my thoughts as well H2O Man. lovemydog Apr 2015 #51

Great post! Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #75

Artists & musicians provide healing balm for our souls. lovemydog Apr 2015 #77

Have a great time! H2O Man Apr 2015 #79

Thanks H2O Man! lovemydog Apr 2015 #80

You are absolutely right about it being a life long task. The Labor Movement did not happen liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #86

Yes, suffering economically and all the setbacks are extremely painful. lovemydog Apr 2015 #112

One of my first thoughts after Citozens United was passed in the SC, the GOP probably thought Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #54

Yeah. H2O Man Apr 2015 #81

Coalition building is a two-way street, and I mostly see PBass Apr 2015 #55

I concur. longship Apr 2015 #57

Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2015 #83

I have to admit, I am pretty much done with the whole thing. I am no longer a Democrat. That does liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #99

I respect that. H2O Man Apr 2015 #101

See, why the insults? I just don't get it. Did the Labor Movement want unicorns and rainbows? liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #107

Define "far left". I hear this phrase used so often here; it seems to me a way of dismissing ND-Dem Apr 2015 #121

Your mindset is that 'all the world is like a boxing match' so of course you see and thrive on Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #59

I think that you H2O Man Apr 2015 #67

And there is the dismissive stuff with no mention of the points made. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #95

It's a curious sport. H2O Man Apr 2015 #105

You will never start off by yourself to build up enough support to overturn gerrymandering Rex Apr 2015 #63

Gerrymandering of Congressional Districts State by State is a Huge Problem KoKo Apr 2015 #74

Huge problem. H2O Man Apr 2015 #88

The difference between yesterday and today? Corporate run government. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #66

You are absolutely right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #97

You are welcome and thank you for the thought provoking essay. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #104

We live in a county of very ignorant people. A country where people will not vote. YOHABLO Apr 2015 #87

Yes, you are right, H2O Man Apr 2015 #93

The last thing I want to do is venture into politics in real life, I've had more than enough of that Fumesucker Apr 2015 #114

And people that do vote but against their own interests due to unchallenged propaganda. mmonk Apr 2015 #110

Wonderful articulate OP, thank you. Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #113

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #128

As always burrowowl Apr 2015 #116

Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #129

I live in a heavily Democratic state legislative district eridani Apr 2015 #124

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #130

I'm getting tired of telling you how much I like your mind. malthaussen Apr 2015 #132

Talk about timing! H2O Man Apr 2015 #133

I know that attitude well. malthaussen Apr 2015 #138

"Divine authority behind govt"?? Scalia describes kings. Beartracks Apr 2015 #134

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #135

Great quote from Malcolm X 100% JonLP24 Apr 2015 #136

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #137

If I may, for multiple reasons nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #144