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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton Answer On Abortion Leaves 'Pro-Life' Senator Speechless [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)210. You're forcing the issue. The statement stands on its own. Nt
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kpete
Apr 2015
OP
of course. but it still reduces with education, birthcontrol, family planning. which is the only
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#92
yes. and she was so clear on it. so how do people ignore her words to focus on one word....
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#68
i disagree. i think she fliped it around and said clearly why it was flipped around.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#116
As soon as I hear about people being stigmatized for getting thier knee repaired, sure
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#123
i adamantly disagree with you. i get you. cause i react the same with that word.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#126
i am not a supporter, though listening to du the last week is making me more so. i had never heard
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#122
i think we are kneejerking. i reacted immediately also. then continued to listen. i feel
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#159
as have i and clearly stated repeatedly. not a new rant for me. pretty important to me, too. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#164
Are you implying that those of us who are saying "abortion on demand" are not..
haikugal
Apr 2015
#138
Don't hear the phrase "safe, legal, and rare" to describe any medical procedures for men.
kairos12
Apr 2015
#64
Yes, why say rare? As if something's wrong with having an abortion. It should be safe, legal, affordable and available on demand...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#103
you can damn well bet if there is an alternative to prostate surgery they go for it, ... oh wait.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#125
It's a concession to the people who think women have their uterus hoovered every weekend
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#109
Feels "empowered" to me....like "rare because a woman should have control over her circumstances,
MADem
Apr 2015
#139
Exactly! 'Rare' to me means women have choices so they never have to consider abortion
LynneSin
Apr 2015
#221
Both Sweden and Denmark have abortion rates higher than the U.S. They have oodles of education
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#226
Yes, I agree, shouldn't concede anything to the right that helps their cause to deny women the right to choose.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#107
I hate it. It prioritizes abortion as a political issue over the health and needs of women.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#31
Abortion is the sole medical procedure that is described as so icky that it ought to be rare.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#73
why? should it be rare? it is costly, invasive, stressful. wouldnt you rather NOT get preg
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#74
and nowhere was i arguing stress and pain level between abortion and giving birth.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#88
I have disliked the use of the word since I first heard it in 2005. It has nothing to do with
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#161
If they can find a way to do microsurgery that makes knee replacement surgery unnneccessary, hell
MADem
Apr 2015
#142
or, with family planning and other measures, they will not be needed at the same rate. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#72
Exactly. It's not a concession, it's saying open up family planning options and
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#181
It should be rare. With contraception and family planning there would be less. Sure, there will be
still_one
Apr 2015
#5
Rare because there is family planning, as in birth control being available. If there isn't
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#6
Yes, and of course there are the criminal and health related aspects why it needs to be legal. Rape,
still_one
Apr 2015
#8
I totally agree, especially a young girl and in cases of incest, a young victim of rape should not
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#16
There are no "especially" cases for any female who wants to have an abortion...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#232
I understand what you say, my point was and is a young girl should not be punished further after
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#233
With education, family planning, and good birth control, abortions will be rare.
Agnosticsherbet
Apr 2015
#13
Yes! Abortion is a moral and positive choice that that liberates women, saves lives, and protects
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#237
then say abortion and contraception should be safe, legal and available to all
elehhhhna
Apr 2015
#79
I disagree. Abortion is a last resort because it's invasive and has risks. Other options
nolabear
Apr 2015
#17
Reduce to what? Rare is a relative term which means very different things to different people.
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#28
Except the far right also believes that birth control pills are abortifacients.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#201
Which was amazing that the SC didn't use science to reach a decision ... We're toast!
haikugal
Apr 2015
#207
If they said it while most states were simultaneously closing clinics, limiting access to it and
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#51
Exactly, or lobe-ectomies, or many other surgeries. It works for all of them. Nt
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#182
I think what she means by rare is by trying to lower unwanted pregnancies in the first place
Marrah_G
Apr 2015
#82
that would be the ONLY word i had an issue with. i get it too. and i do not think she needs
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#36
I agree. She has a 100% rating with NARAL and 0% with the anti choice groups.
PeaceNikki
Apr 2015
#38
There's thinking in the anti-choice movement that women use abortion as a form of birth control
justiceischeap
Apr 2015
#190
totaly fuggin blowing my mind. the more i listen, and the more i think about it, and thought
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#93
And in 1996, the feminist organization that I was involved with protested Bill's use of the word.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#176
i would have to see how bill used it. did he do it as a concession. abortions should be rare. thats
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#194
anti abortionists, rather than prolife. and yes. that would be the point and reasoning,
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#62
She did very well. Those who want to fasten on one word need to listen to the whole thing again.
Hekate
Apr 2015
#71
i sit the same place as you do. i thought what she said was important enough for all us to hear
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#104
period at the end when she uses rare. then she explains how one decdreases it. then she brings
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#98
Jeeez. People are willing to dismiss the whole speech just for the use of "rare".
Quantess
Apr 2015
#108
Please, she's a big girl and no one said anything other than she did a good job.
haikugal
Apr 2015
#146
as she says.... she has been to the places with botched abortions and watched the suffering.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#118
Swedenhas a higher rate of abortion than the U.S. And Sweden has early sex ed which
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#178
I've noticed that those supporting the language refuse to respond to that point.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#219
That wasn't clear at all, sorry. I meant the assertion that better education and access to birth
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#239
I am agreeing with you! I was only seeking to clarify that LA, not push back. I'm sorry if I'm not
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#241
Here you go. And the stats are consistent on both pro-choice and anti-choice websites.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#225
Thanks, kpete! In that same hearing she reiterated she opposed forced abortions, as well. n/t
freshwest
Apr 2015
#160