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38. Yet *another* OP all about personality rather than policies.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 08:18 PM
Apr 2015

Yet ANOTHER invitation to argue about Hillary, utterly devoid of reference to policy.

Yet ANOTHER post pretending that elections in a democracy are about whether you like the candidate.

The corporate propaganda is deep, and thick, and it is trying to reteach us the meaning of "democracy," divorcing it altogether from the important civic meaning our elections once had.

We are flooded with OP's like this, that encourage fake "political" discussion that's not political at all. This is elections in a corporatocracy...vacant of policy, but full of bids to argue about personalities. We marinate in a sea of propaganda designed to pervert our fundamental understanding of democracy. To pervert the very meaning of the electoral process by pretending that it is the most natural thing in the world to detach political loyalties from policies and principles and attach it instead to team label and personality contests.

This is what happens when corporations buy democracies. Our presidential elections are now a sports event that, as the Princeton study showed, have virtually *nothing* to do with the actual direction of policy or of governance in this country anymore.

Princeton study: U.S. no longer an actual democracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025405658

We have TWO Superbowls in this country now. Two major, vapid, nationally hyped and advertised sporting events in which the people are urged to take a side and mindlessly cheer for their side to win. Where the most important policies that affect people's lives - the TPP, plans for Social Security, plans for corporate taxes and dealing with predatory banks, war policy, mass surveillance, police state policies - are assiduously avoided, and from which the media oligarchs, the political oligarchs, and the banking oligarchs profit BILLIONS.

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Must I love HRC or hate her AS A CANDIDATE? [View all] DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 OP
Sure. onehandle Apr 2015 #1
I won't vote for her. With her flaws I don't want her in the Whitehouse. Arcadiasix Apr 2015 #4
And if Sanders or Warren isn't the nominee? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #20
Good to go. Arcadiasix Apr 2015 #41
If Warren or Sanders isn't the nominee you're not voting? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #53
So you're voting for Ted Cruz in the General? onehandle Apr 2015 #32
I will not vote of a corporate own person ever again, Arcadiasix Apr 2015 #42
Another if you don't vote for Hillary you are voting Republican. You will go on my ignore list. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #43
In the general, yes. onehandle Apr 2015 #44
Mmm, I love me some false dichotomy. [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #48
Voting against or not for the Democrat in the General is voting for the Republican. onehandle Apr 2015 #49
Re-asserting the fallacy doesn't make it any less fallacious. [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #58
I have not made any such statement. DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #10
I didn't say you did. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #33
Pick a side DLO KMOD Apr 2015 #2
It is kind of bizarre that expressing a dislike of some of Hillary's policies is labeled HATE. djean111 Apr 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #5
Waffles? Agschmid Apr 2015 #51
Of course you can. I don't hate Hillary. I just won't vote for her because I don't believe liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #6
Then why are you on a political discussion site? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #14
There are hundreds of issues with thousands of potential solutions FLPanhandle Apr 2015 #7
Manichean thinking is stinking thinking./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #8
Educate me please? DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #11
Dualistic thinking DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #13
YES! THAT! DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #17
Reality is nuanced. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #30
It's just a fancy word for black and quiet MineralMan Apr 2015 #35
Neither. All she needs from you as a fellow American citizen. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2015 #9
So simple and so true AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #12
i don't feel either way but it seems to mostly be the haters who think i should hate her JI7 Apr 2015 #15
No. LWolf Apr 2015 #16
On DU? Yes, that's the new rule. Whether it's Hillary, the TPP, or whatever, it's all or nothing. arcane1 Apr 2015 #18
Yeah, this is what's starting to really bother me. *sigh* DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #21
I will not apologize for 100% opposing fast track. If TPP is good trade policy then it can liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #22
I'm right there with you. Some supporters say we're just isolationists who want no trade whatsoever. arcane1 Apr 2015 #24
And the recent FT deal, provdes for juat that. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #26
The FT deal provides for submitting to the floor a bill that would limit Congressional ... Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #31
Okay. So the final agreement WILL be made public and debated? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #37
First of all, it's not just about 1 agreement, or limited to agreements current under negotiation. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #45
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #50
The major issues with these agreements are non-trade issues. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #54
She is closer to my thinking on the issues than anyone who has presented them selves or who others Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #19
What I've noticed is that the majority of posters on an email board like this post one or two libdem4life Apr 2015 #23
I pretty much toss all MerryBlooms Apr 2015 #25
Yes you must, in this politics as team sport, or gang war, atmosphere that we seem to have now, enough Apr 2015 #27
I have abortion on my auto trash by keyword list. I get so tired of being told I don't liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #28
Supreme Court dude realFedUp Apr 2015 #29
No, of course not. MineralMan Apr 2015 #34
Seems like you have two choices here. William769 Apr 2015 #36
Yet *another* OP all about personality rather than policies. woo me with science Apr 2015 #38
I should have said "love her or hate her AS A CANDIDATE." DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #40
I don't understand loving or hating politicians, sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #39
You owe Hillary Clinton zilch. No love, no hate, no never-mind, not even good words. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #46
The candidate I hope to see run has not entered the race and yet I am told there are two sides Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #47
Doesn't matter what you feel about her customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #52
That is precisely my take on this. longship Apr 2015 #55
Yup. DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #59
Judge her by her deads that YOU can see... revmclaren Apr 2015 #56
Mercy and forgiveness are powerful witnesses. Rex Apr 2015 #57
Like the rest of us? Orsino Apr 2015 #60
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