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In reply to the discussion: It is not Secretary Clinton's credibility on social issues that many Democrats [View all]BainsBane
(57,746 posts)25. Whomever you decide to support for president
I hope you give some thought to what is an artificial distinction between social and economic issues. Lefitshbrit explained it very well here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6537286
Some of us genuinely detest the fact that wealthy oligarchs and wealthy private interests have so much control over our government. Oligarchs who very obviously use their wealth to subvert our democratic ability to govern ourselves.
I agree entirely with that view. However, where I diverge from you is in the assumption that the power of capital rests on an individual candidate. It is in fact systemic: on one hand it is the nature of the capitalist state, but it has also worsened and become more obvious due to recent supreme court decisions laying naked the cash nexus.
This is not an unreasonable expectation of any Democratic presidential candidate, or Democratic president, and any Democrat who believes that this is an unreasonable expectation may want to consider that oligarchy is exactly what the republican party is fully committed to preserving.
I wish that were so. However, my background as historian tells me that the state has always served the interests of capital. Even FDR, whom you favorably quote, was the savior of capitalism because he cobbled together enough band-aids on the system to ward of incipient revolution. It's important to understand that FDR implemented the New Deal in the face of widespread social movements that threatened to bring down the capitalism economy. That is what he sought to prevent. In that way, it was the unemployed people's movements, the farmers, the veterans, and countless other groups of ordinary Americans who truly made the New Deal. A modern-day New Deal would require a similar degree of activism. "Expecting" Democrats to deliver is a fool's errand. Entrenched interests never willingly yield ground. They must be forced to act. The history of social movements shows that has always been the case.
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It is not Secretary Clinton's credibility on social issues that many Democrats [View all]
Zorra
Apr 2015
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I agree Hillary will have a HARDER time seeming FDR-ish than Obama BUT.. BUT.. they hate Obama
uponit7771
Apr 2015
#2
And I still believe that Edwards was "left in the race" to siphon off our votes...
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#85
I sincerely believe that she has completely evolved on the issue of marriage equality.
Zorra
Apr 2015
#5
You need to check your attitude, if a few exclamation marks make you so angry.
darkangel218
Apr 2015
#33
And because he said it???? What? Makes it ok? Pres Carter won't get my vote
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#66
I remember that it was an early strategy of the LGBT community to win same-sex marriage rights
okaawhatever
Apr 2015
#10
No. I was pointing out that anyone believing that Hillary's stance is unique is a strawman.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2015
#36
My belief is that our fundamental civil rights, as defined in the Constitution, are the foundation
Maedhros
Apr 2015
#20
What has annoyed me is discovering that all the straight folks who have taken economic advantage
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#21
I have staight men telling me I don't care about jobs and health care when my entire life has
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#44
It's extremely important to all of us that we have an economy that helps all of us. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#59
That's what we've been telling you for my entire lifetime. And yet 29 States still allow
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#92
I think you are fighting the wrong person. "If you had a lick of sense" well I do have a little
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#96
Good points. And a great illustration of how widespread social movements that threaten
Zorra
Apr 2015
#32
sorry, this is going to piss a lot of you off: She's fine social issues- not awesome
cali
Apr 2015
#26
do not tell me it does not matter, sit at back of bus, it is a minor issue and we will not have a
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#30
does it have to be you? this is what the issue is. many dems that have problems with clinton. well,
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#40
With all due respect, that is either a person made exclusively of straw, or an extreme outlier.
Dragonfli
Apr 2015
#105
All Democrats are expected to be good on equal rights for all human beings. But anyone who supports
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#101
Yes, she surely could be more progressive on economic issues! That said, ...
ColesCountyDem
Apr 2015
#109
Yes, we need a movement, but those in government need to do what the movement wants at some point...
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#111