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Zorra

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32. Good points. And a great illustration of how widespread social movements that threaten

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:42 PM

Apr 2015

to bring down the capitalist economy serve a necessary function in influencing the owners of pseudo-democracies to make compromises that benefit the ~~citizens~~ subjects of pseudo-democracies.

A massive nationwide general strike might be just what we need right now to convince our owners that the beatings should not continue, or, at least, should not be so severe.

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It is not Secretary Clinton's credibility on social issues that many Democrats [View all] Zorra Apr 2015 OP

K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #1

I agree Hillary will have a HARDER time seeming FDR-ish than Obama BUT.. BUT.. they hate Obama uponit7771 Apr 2015 #2

My problem with Obama and Hillary in 2008 was their stands on economic issues rurallib Apr 2015 #9

And I still believe that Edwards was "left in the race" to siphon off our votes... cascadiance Apr 2015 #85

K&R. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #3

I don't trust her on social issues Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #4

I sincerely believe that she has completely evolved on the issue of marriage equality. Zorra Apr 2015 #5

I sincerely believe she's been faking it the whole time... MellowDem Apr 2015 #56

I will never forget her "let the states decide" crap. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #6

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Jimmy Carter is not running for Presidency in 2016, is he?? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #14

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He is NOT running for Presidency!!! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #19

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My reply is "shittly"? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #29

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You need to check your attitude, if a few exclamation marks make you so angry. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #33

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You can use the f word all you want, it aint going to make it true. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #37

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something is happening to do. i click my post, and get your post. hmmm. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #43

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lol lol. i can get ot my post if i scroll down, so still there. seabeyond Apr 2015 #46

Hillary Clinton's evolution on LGBT issues justiceischeap Apr 2015 #48

This. Agschmid Apr 2015 #50

Now, compare her evolution Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #95

What does she have to apologize for? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #97

Again, Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #98

Don't bring Kissinger into LGBT issues. justiceischeap Apr 2015 #100

She only switched her views on Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #102

I don't doubt her sincerity when it comes to LGBT issues justiceischeap Apr 2015 #104

It may be forever in the view of pundits Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #94

I don't know, how do you feel about Jimmy Carter? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #54

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And because he said it???? What? Makes it ok? Pres Carter won't get my vote rhett o rick Apr 2015 #66

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I am having trouble because you fail to tell us your point. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #71

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I'll never forget her 'dodging sniper fire' in Bosnia hopeforchange2008 Apr 2015 #73

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Sorry, even Jimmy Carter is wrong on occasion. Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #64

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The view that states had the right to prohbit Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #78

I remember that it was an early strategy of the LGBT community to win same-sex marriage rights okaawhatever Apr 2015 #10

You're conflating a strategy with a principle. They are not the same Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #82

What I do know, is that we CAN NOT trust any republican... ever. FarPoint Apr 2015 #12

Yah. She sure can fight the fight, being all over the place. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #15

She has been successfully besting them for over 20 years! FarPoint Apr 2015 #18

She will fight them Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #60

She will fight them harder than Obama has his entire term. FarPoint Apr 2015 #62

That is a very low bar Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #63

I am no HRC fan, but that is the one place I do trust her hifiguy Apr 2015 #77

The reason I don't trust her Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #81

I have to agree with you. Marr Apr 2015 #89

How many other potential Democratic candidates hold the same views? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #11

I specifically mentioned Senator Sanders as an example of a potential Democratic Zorra Apr 2015 #17

Sanders will not have the support of the Democratic Party as an Independent. FarPoint Apr 2015 #22

Sen Sanders has integrity. As far as handling the Republicons, Clinton rhett o rick Apr 2015 #57

Sanders is just too nice...he's a true good guy. FarPoint Apr 2015 #61

No. I was pointing out that anyone believing that Hillary's stance is unique is a strawman. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #36

Sorry I misunderstood. My apologies. Zorra Apr 2015 #47

No problem. My post is bit vague. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #49

Very good! H2O Man Apr 2015 #13

My belief is that our fundamental civil rights, as defined in the Constitution, are the foundation Maedhros Apr 2015 #20

we never really needed Habeas reddread Apr 2015 #69

I believe in womens rights, LGBTQ rights, racial equality. Maedhros Apr 2015 #74

stop making sense reddread Apr 2015 #75

It's as if we're entertaining a new concept of "equality" Maedhros Apr 2015 #83

the flip side of "just us" reddread Apr 2015 #84

"not applicable to aliens?" Maedhros Apr 2015 #88

brown, nearly brown, perceivably brown, and sympathetic to brown people reddread Apr 2015 #90

What has annoyed me is discovering that all the straight folks who have taken economic advantage Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #21

Good points. "Progressive" is often in the eye of the beholder... Zorra Apr 2015 #27

I have staight men telling me I don't care about jobs and health care when my entire life has Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #44

It's extremely important to all of us that we have an economy that helps all of us. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #59

That's what we've been telling you for my entire lifetime. And yet 29 States still allow Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #92

I think you are fighting the wrong person. "If you had a lick of sense" well I do have a little rhett o rick Apr 2015 #96

Make overturning Citizens United a litmus test for SC judges BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #24

Whomever you decide to support for president BainsBane Apr 2015 #25

Good points. And a great illustration of how widespread social movements that threaten Zorra Apr 2015 #32

That's a tough lift BainsBane Apr 2015 #86

sorry, this is going to piss a lot of you off: She's fine social issues- not awesome cali Apr 2015 #26

social and economic issues are inextricably linked... tk2kewl Apr 2015 #28

Yup. n/t progressoid Apr 2015 #108

do not tell me it does not matter, sit at back of bus, it is a minor issue and we will not have a seabeyond Apr 2015 #30

I have never ever remotely indicated to you that "it does not matter". nt Zorra Apr 2015 #38

does it have to be you? this is what the issue is. many dems that have problems with clinton. well, seabeyond Apr 2015 #40

With all due respect, that is either a person made exclusively of straw, or an extreme outlier. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #105

K. R 99Forever Apr 2015 #34

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #39

Economic issues ARE social issues FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #42

And they are the basic social issues of all. zeemike Apr 2015 #87

I don't trust HC in matters of War & Peace Martin Eden Apr 2015 #51

k&r PumpkinAle Apr 2015 #52

Seems all the Haters have simple choice Cryptoad Apr 2015 #53

No other viable candidate yet. /eom hopeforchange2008 Apr 2015 #76

"all the haters", are you like twelve or something? /nt Dragonfli Apr 2015 #106

Agree. It is that she is unapologetically Third Way. That is my issue. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #55

Not to mention her general hawkishness KamaAina Apr 2015 #68

I'm not interested in campaign promises for bbgrunt Apr 2015 #70

I like her a lot fredamae Apr 2015 #79

How many is "many"? brooklynite Apr 2015 #80

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Polling IS a snapshot...multiple polling is a motion picture brooklynite Apr 2015 #93

I have some problems with the OP. bvar22 Apr 2015 #99

All Democrats are expected to be good on equal rights for all human beings. But anyone who supports sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #101

K & R InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #103

FDR nailed that one! We are living it right this moment. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #107

Yes, she surely could be more progressive on economic issues! That said, ... ColesCountyDem Apr 2015 #109

the problem i have with this whole issue mopinko Apr 2015 #110

Yes, we need a movement, but those in government need to do what the movement wants at some point... cascadiance Apr 2015 #111