Hillary's electability is largely political myth at this point

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150. She's not running to be in office now, but in 2016. Republicans haven't won congress yet then!

And as for Obama, Negotiations 101 dictates that you don't start negotiating asking for nothing, but you ask for a lot and you settle for less. He asked for NEITHER when starting negotiations. WHY? Many still say that Obamacare, though taking the good first step of giving people insurance that didn't have it, is still damned expensive with the corporate insurance company cancer still in it and needs that reform to happen for it to survive long term. As long as we have corporate Democrats in the mix, this will continue to be a problem in the coming years.

There was budget reconciliation that was used that would allow a simple majority in the Senate to have passed it. And if we couldn't get a majority of Democrats to support it then, then we had many Democrats that were in office then that were also having a hard time showing that they were real Democrats and not just corporatist Democrats in sheep's clothing. A few come to mind, one who had to get elected as an independent, because he couldn't win the Democratic Party nomination, who also might have had something to do with the lack of enthusiasm many had for Gore's team in 2000 too that didn't get him a bigger victory (YES he won, despite the Republicans corrupting the courts to skew that result otherwise).