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1StrongBlackMan

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30. Okay ...

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:31 PM

Apr 2015

1) He wanted to cut Social Security benefits through chained C.P.I. - That was a political tactic (that even republicans knew was going no where, given the conditions that he placed on the offer) to show America that republicans were unserious. And it worked, look at the "republican obstructionist" polling numbers, before the offer, and the numbers after the offer.

2) He is fast-tracking TPP, which is flogged by most economists and unions as devastating for the middle-class. - Doesn't it bother you that so many people are making these claims without actually knowing what is in the agreement? It should.

3) Larry Summers for Federal Reserve chief. - Okay, got me. Who is the Fed Chief now? And, wasn't there someone else before this one. And didn't each bring a particular skill set to the job, at a particularly, fragile economic time?

4) He did not raise the abysmal minimum wage, while nearly half of all Americans live in poverty. - How, exactly, does a/the President raise the Minimum Wage, for anyone but Federal employees, and employees of federal contractors ... which, btw, he did.

5) He promised to march alongside striking workers in comfortable shoes - nope. - Yep. Nope ... at the request of those that were marching ... remember, that part?

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Even After TPP, Some Stand By Their man [View all] WillTwain Apr 2015 OP

After TPP? tridim Apr 2015 #1

I do not understand your first question? WillTwain Apr 2015 #2

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #4

After his support of and fast-tracking is why I wrote after TPP. WillTwain Apr 2015 #6

Do you still think 'fast-track' means 'rush'? randome Apr 2015 #5

Well Rachel Maddow, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Sherrod Brown, Alan Grayson, Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann, WillTwain Apr 2015 #7

It's not a 'small minority' that think otherwise. pampango Apr 2015 #14

Nearly two thirds is a large majority in American politics. WillTwain Apr 2015 #16

I will grant that. Of course a majority of Democrats support fast-track, while a huge republican pampango Apr 2015 #21

52% is a narrow majority. Most probably do not even understand the issue and go along. WillTwain Apr 2015 #25

It is a narrow majority of Democrats that support fast track but it is a majority nonetheless. pampango Apr 2015 #31

Nothing Irritates Obama devotees more than the facts. WillTwain Apr 2015 #8

Your 'fact' is wrong if you don't have an understanding of what 'fast-track' means. randome Apr 2015 #9

The fact that he pushed chained C.P.I. is wrong? What? WillTwain Apr 2015 #10

"Obama devotees" zappaman Apr 2015 #54

Not strange at all. That is why I am here. You open a church where the most are lost. WillTwain Apr 2015 #58

And that's why you've received your pizza from the Admins. Yaaaay! BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #163

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

You Don't Really Expect A Cogent Response, Do You? ProfessorGAC Apr 2015 #32

You funny. WillTwain Apr 2015 #36

Stand By Your Man WillTwain Apr 2015 #35

Nope ... I stand by facts (when there are facts to stand by) ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #38

Stand By Your Man. The reverend Jones had loyal follower,too. WillTwain Apr 2015 #40

So you a done, huh? Nothing left in the tank? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #41

Dude, you have ODS. WillTwain Apr 2015 #42

Fumes is all you've got. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #43

I just beat you senseless, then you woke up and said with your eyes still crossed, WillTwain Apr 2015 #46

Yeah. Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #49

Fumes is all you've got. n/t. It was too easy. WillTwain Apr 2015 #53

Yeah. Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #55

Nah, that would be me Fumesucker Apr 2015 #70

SBM would like a few if you can spare them. WillTwain Apr 2015 #73

Thank you; but, no. I think most will see this exchange for what it is/was ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #77

I have less faith than you. This is a Third Way site. WillTwain Apr 2015 #79

Yeah. Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #82

OK WillTwain Apr 2015 #85

If you could respond to my list, that would be greatly appreciated. WillTwain Apr 2015 #3

Can personal email attacks be alerted to the DU staff? WillTwain Apr 2015 #11

First,block the person from sending you mail. sufrommich Apr 2015 #15

Thanks WillTwain Apr 2015 #18

I've never had anyone send me an offensive email sufrommich Apr 2015 #22

Ok, it was a little scary. WillTwain Apr 2015 #24

No one should accept crap like that. sufrommich Apr 2015 #26

We need to be civil among our own party. at the very least. WillTwain Apr 2015 #27

Yeah right, dude. zappaman Apr 2015 #57

dev·o·tee - noun a person who is very interested in and enthusiastic about some person or thing WillTwain Apr 2015 #59

You're on a mission and you're not funny. randome Apr 2015 #61

All I want is a debate. You guys just insult and huddle. WillTwain Apr 2015 #63

Yes, they can. n/t whathehell Apr 2015 #67

It did not work - twice. WillTwain Apr 2015 #71

I don't know HOW you do it but whathehell Apr 2015 #92

I feel like FDR WillTwain Apr 2015 #96

Boot you for what? whathehell Apr 2015 #98

Being anti Third Way and pissing them off so much. WillTwain Apr 2015 #99

Are you talking about being whathehell Apr 2015 #100

DU WillTwain Apr 2015 #101

WillTwain whathehell Apr 2015 #102

ok WillTwain Apr 2015 #103

You couldn't post for ninety days? whathehell Apr 2015 #104

Thanks WillTwain Apr 2015 #105

You're welcome whathehell Apr 2015 #112

Obama Is On Hardball, classic TPP debate. WillTwain Apr 2015 #138

I DVR Hardball along with a lot of other MSNBC shows, so I'll be able whathehell Apr 2015 #158

TPP hasn't passed yet, FYI. We don't know what is in TPP, much less what's going DanTex Apr 2015 #12

That thinking got us the Iraq War. WillTwain Apr 2015 #13

I don't get the Iraq War comparison. DanTex Apr 2015 #20

So Obama and Paul Ryan support it, along with nearly all elected republicans and few democrats. WillTwain Apr 2015 #23

Ron Wyden and John Kerry also support it, for example. DanTex Apr 2015 #28

I am with the majority and against Paul Ryan and the corporatists. WillTwain Apr 2015 #50

In a democracy, citizens should be able to demand the right to know what legislation is being passed cascadiance Apr 2015 #60

They will know. DanTex Apr 2015 #62

Why is Sherrod Brown expressing his displeasure at the fast track as a rush-job? Sherrod Brown WillTwain Apr 2015 #65

Obama is not some schmuck either. Like I said, there are smart people on both DanTex Apr 2015 #66

Except, Their track records on working class issues are very different , There you go. WillTwain Apr 2015 #68

Rush job? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #95

Wyden is going to be in trouble in Oregon. He probably has something else lined up. WillTwain Apr 2015 #64

^^^ This ^^^ 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #34

How do you reconcile all his "hard work" and such failure? WillTwain Apr 2015 #48

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #52

I don't know how you do it. xfundy Apr 2015 #157

I take a deep breath ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #159

Every one of those are playing to their readers, viewers, members, etc. Hoyt Apr 2015 #29

You make it sound like a conspiracy. Look, labor knows more than Obama. WillTwain Apr 2015 #39

Sort of like how Obama has played Democrats. WillTwain Apr 2015 #44

The TPA hasn't even passed, so obviously the TPP hasn't. cali Apr 2015 #17

I really do not know what that means. WillTwain Apr 2015 #19

No It's Not ProfessorGAC Apr 2015 #33

I really thought it was obvious. We have been arguing this for weeks. Some need to be coddled WillTwain Apr 2015 #37

It's not going to pass. It is now too much of a political liability. Rex Apr 2015 #45

Let's hope so. WillTwain Apr 2015 #47

They do, yeah all we have left sometimes is hope. Rex Apr 2015 #51

No change, just more of the corporate domination. WillTwain Apr 2015 #56

Aw come on, the IMF and WTO are all for it! Rex Apr 2015 #74

Thank god the World Bank is there rein them in. WillTwain Apr 2015 #75

Oh, I think it'll pass. Marr Apr 2015 #87

Fast track past, so it probably will, too. The same people vote. WillTwain Apr 2015 #94

They've passed Fast Track? Marr Apr 2015 #97

You've resorted to this? treestar Apr 2015 #69

OK tree, whatever. WillTwain Apr 2015 #72

It's getting rather obvious, eh? zappaman Apr 2015 #78

You mean you are getting it. I am getting excited. WillTwain Apr 2015 #81

You Better Believe it! FSogol Apr 2015 #90

!!! zappaman Apr 2015 #91

Keep slapping your forehead, shake it up in there. WillTwain Apr 2015 #93

I don't agree with or defend the president on this issue. Most other issues though I do agree with still_one Apr 2015 #76

All I can say is look at Bernie's website. Go to the AFL-CIO site, Hear out today's great economists WillTwain Apr 2015 #80

Stiglitz is great. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #83

He really breaks it down. WillTwain Apr 2015 #84

I missed that. Must have been interesting. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #86

Great stuff, WillTwain Apr 2015 #88

We agree still_one Apr 2015 #89

unrec. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #106

Seroiusly? WillTwain Apr 2015 #107

Seriously. I support my president. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #108

Hrm WillTwain Apr 2015 #109

Then stop trashing him. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #110

I do not think you read my reply - brutal on wages and wealth issues. Free speech - right? WillTwain Apr 2015 #111

Couple of things. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #113

It is not trashing the President. It is about a man doing loyal friends wrong. WillTwain Apr 2015 #114

So I tell you I don't like your post and it is Leninism. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #115

You are spinning. You said this is a non free speech zone. You spinning the facts is what I expected. WillTwain Apr 2015 #116

You asked about free speech. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #117

You said the site determines speech - that smacks of Leninism. WillTwain Apr 2015 #118

You agreed to the rules. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #119

That is not the issue. You said it limits free speech. That is all this is about. You made it an iss WillTwain Apr 2015 #120

Iss? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #121

issue. I am pleased with the post being posted. No complaints. Blocking honest conversation WillTwain Apr 2015 #122

No one is blocking you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #123

I know, but you brought it up. It was a curious twist in the conversation. WillTwain Apr 2015 #124

You brought up free speech. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #125

You answered with there is no free speech here. I do not know why. WillTwain Apr 2015 #126

You do understand this is a privately owned site? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #127

YEs, I just think anyone would want an open debate. Especially among liberals. WillTwain Apr 2015 #128

We do have open debates here. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #129

Great - let's share ideas and create a better world. WillTwain Apr 2015 #130

Umm. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #131

Peace WillTwain Apr 2015 #132

peace. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #133

It's an internet forum that moderates speech according to sufrommich Apr 2015 #134

Come on man, can we be civil? WillTwain Apr 2015 #135

Really? were you civil when using leninism with me? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #136

Absolutely, Lenin was all about thought control, too. That was a great historical reference. WillTwain Apr 2015 #143

No one is trying to control you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #147

I've read your replies in this thread, you're not interested in civility. sufrommich Apr 2015 #137

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #139

Damn! You are really showing that spirit of openness as you descibed before. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #140

I guess you need an explanation. WillTwain Apr 2015 #141

Lol the hits keep on coming. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #142

Trite, let's be creative. WillTwain Apr 2015 #144

You start. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #145

Compare my comments to yours, case closed. WillTwain Apr 2015 #148

Lol. Building that better world you talked about. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #150

Good night folks, thanks for kicking the thread. WillTwain Apr 2015 #151

Uh huh. zappaman Apr 2015 #152

Border? zappaman Apr 2015 #146

Border what? WillTwain Apr 2015 #149

Jury results: Sheldon Cooper Apr 2015 #153

Thank you.nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #154

Thank you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #155

Hell's bells, who was Juror #3 ? Hekate Apr 2015 #166

Juror # 3 referring to this no banned right wing troll as "good progressive" JI7 Apr 2015 #170

Leninism? BainsBane Apr 2015 #156

Poster was shown the door. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #160

Saw that one from the get. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #161

Based on posting history it really was not a suprise. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #162

Using song references, eh? Here is one for you... stevenleser Apr 2015 #164

Weird that this had 8 recs yesterday, but now 5! zappaman Apr 2015 #165

He got a new one though BainsBane Apr 2015 #167

The die hard Will Twain fans.. lol.. no matter what shite he posts. Cha Apr 2015 #168

This thwead looks like a Twain Weck!!! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #171

Twuth! Cha Apr 2015 #172

Yes well, Obama was getting cut some slack because you know...his skin color etc.. Rex Apr 2015 #169