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306. I often see people use a politician's rhetoric to raise min wage (as the only tool to help the poor)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:29 PM

Apr 2015

and claim, "they are for the poor!"

When in truth, even tho raising the min wage is long overdue and will help some struggling workers slightly, what really needs to be addressed is the tattered and ever shrinking safety net, we desperately need to get back to the short lived war on poverty. The poor in this country are legion and only some of them can find any work at all, even minimum wage work (which in most places would realistically have to be higher than $15 an hour to provide a living wage).

I personally think we need government works programs that provide more than the subsistence wages that are to be found in the service industry, an expanded Social Security both in the amounts given to individuals and the age when it begins (I am thinking 55 actually because that is the point in this day and age when blue collar people and even many white collar ones are considered too old to be hired by those that are doing the hiring).

Welfare actually needs to be "unreformed" - Clinton's little experiment with "abolishing welfare as we know it" has proven to be a disastrous failure, I could go on, but really Merrily, you already know all this, this post is for the benefit of others.

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"The Far Left"? WTF? [View all] DerekG Apr 2015 OP

I don't call people far left. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1

Ditto here AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #2

Next time hear it used ask WTF it means. Like the liberal media i guess bjobotts Apr 2015 #70

Bill O'Reilly uses that term to describe everyone on the left. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #72

Lots Of Right Wing Democrats Posting On DU billhicks76 Apr 2015 #95

How do you define rw though? Yes there are posters that make me scratch my head and I think they hrmjustin Apr 2015 #109

Clearly, the Democratic Party has a right wing and a left wing. merrily Apr 2015 #186

IMO, the "far left" are the ones who blindly support the likes of Maduro, 7962 Apr 2015 #274

Putin? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #299

Hey, merrily simply asked for an opinion. 7962 Apr 2015 #324

You're Joking Right? billhicks76 Apr 2015 #302

The question was asked what one considered far left; 7962 Apr 2015 #322

No, I asked no question at all. merrily Apr 2015 #339

Well, you said "ask them" so that implies a question. 7962 Apr 2015 #345

My suggesting others ask someone a question is not the same as my asking a question. merrily Apr 2015 #346

Thank you. Sorry about the misrepresentation 7962 Apr 2015 #363

You think Putin is leftist? LOL! Man, with confusion like that I can see how any Dem not corporate Dragonfli Apr 2015 #305

Did you read the post I replied to at all? Or my answer? 7962 Apr 2015 #323

oh no, I caught all that, just your thought than anyone that supports Putin is a leftist Dragonfli Apr 2015 #326

Well, I can give you a couple examples, 7962 Apr 2015 #327

Thanks for the link, I'l look into it Dragonfli Apr 2015 #328

I don't get it, that appears to be anti Putin, not a kind word was spoken about him Dragonfli Apr 2015 #329

the old "US is always at fault" type posts LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #360

I stated that we've made our share of mistakes. 7962 Apr 2015 #364

No, the post to which you replied did not ask anything. merrily Apr 2015 #340

Find me a post of mine that blindly supports Maduro, Putin or, for that matter, that blindly merrily Apr 2015 #338

Right wing democrats put social issues ahead of economic issues - particularly unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #276

I find economic and social issues to be of equal importance Dragonfli Apr 2015 #330

It is sad. WillTwain Apr 2015 #358

If we believe in single payer universal health care they call us Fringe Left. Same as Far Left. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #149

Right-wing Democrats often have little time for unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #279

Obviously the ones who've been brainwashed by the librul media. arikara Apr 2015 #303

RW Democrats Support... billhicks76 Apr 2015 #362

No, most liberals believe in that treestar Apr 2015 #315

I can say anything I want. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #344

Oxymorons IMHO. nt brush Apr 2015 #228

those Democrats think they are on the left treestar Apr 2015 #313

But to be fair, you're a big fan MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #76

Excuse me sir? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #77

Has Hillary Clinton coddled Wall Street? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #81

NY senators always have relationships with wall street as have Democratic presidents. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #83

OK, so what I wrote is correct? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #86

Schumer I am not a fan of but Clinton while not an enemy of Wall Street is not going to bow to them hrmjustin Apr 2015 #98

Show me a shred of evidence that she as challenged Wall Street. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #102

I think she just did by saying we need a new constitutional amendment to get rid of citizens united. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #110

Yes and candidate Obama said that we needed to roll back the Patriot Act. The nice label is rhett o rick Apr 2015 #118

Thats fair. i would like to raise taxes on them as well. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #119

They claimed they couldn't even pass a public option, but she's going to amend the Constitution? merrily Apr 2015 #180

Well played. hifiguy Apr 2015 #283

Thank you, merrily Apr 2015 #336

And lest we forget.... Plucketeer Apr 2015 #267

that's quite an easy thing to say. how long ERA has languished? 40 years? nashville_brook Apr 2015 #131

She is now on the record. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #132

Her opinion as president would not matter since the president is not JDPriestly Apr 2015 #136

She can use the bully pulpit. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #137

And, when it doesn't happen, we'll hear she is not king. Civics class. Congress. Blah, blah, blah. merrily Apr 2015 #206

Well I am a bit more hopeful but I understand that people are doubtful about it passing with reason. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #234

If you think Hillary's not doubtful about it passing, I have a few bridges in my inventory. merrily Apr 2015 #236

I am sure she has her doubts. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #252

!00% doubt merrily Apr 2015 #256

But what would attract the most press and public attention? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #281

The press will never be fair to her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #282

And there is plenty to ridicule her about. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #285

Warren, Sanders, and O'Malley have vulnerabilities. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #287

Yes. But there is a particularly vicious strain of criticism of Hillary. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #288

Sorry but Clinton has been tried and tested. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #289

She has been tried and tested and lost. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #292

You are not being rude. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #293

Which makes it the ideal campaign strategy. That and 76% want it. merrily Apr 2015 #191

Just like Obama was on the record for a strong public option being the only way. merrily Apr 2015 #187

This is the problem for Hillary. Obama misled voters on so many issues, Democrats are gun shy. WillTwain Apr 2015 #280

Then, don't vote for Obama for POTUS in 2016. merrily Apr 2015 #337

ERA was much less controversial and is dead. merrily Apr 2015 #181

If she does get in, using her first year to pass a renewed ERA would be both in character and Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #193

Reality check. That statement by Hillary does not stand up to analysis. Not even a little. merrily Apr 2015 #179

She will bow awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #140

An unhealthy relationship. Unhealthy for the people of the nation. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #150

Elizabeth Warren is a Fan of Schumer also JI7 Apr 2015 #133

But not a fan of Wall Street, which is much more to the point merrily Apr 2015 #182

I see that the major divide is between the Progressives and Conservatives. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #120

I don't care for TTP and detest fracking. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #122

Where are you on unions? Would you fight for union members? WillTwain Apr 2015 #278

That the left of the Democratic Party is the ideological far, far left is such bull pucky. merrily Apr 2015 #188

Those that try to disparage the Left with the label "Far Left" refuse to actually explain why rhett o rick Apr 2015 #248

On one hand, they pretend liberals are bomb-throwing trotskyites. On the other merrily Apr 2015 #259

I think they're people with an (ahem) agenda who use that term. valerief Apr 2015 #3

And Candadians BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #10

Are those the ones with yeast infections? cui bono Apr 2015 #17

Or owners Depaysement Apr 2015 #36

Dude I'm crying *cough* Phlem Apr 2015 #85

... BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #213

Not the dreaded Candadians! Run for your lives! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #151

. Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #333

Eeyup. hifiguy Apr 2015 #16

Yep! Same here, ignore them as appropriate! Anyone can join DU. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2015 #30

Exactly. jwirr Apr 2015 #50

! 2naSalit Apr 2015 #58

I'd love to know who pays the left of the Democratic Party. merrily Apr 2015 #194

Oh snap, 0-7? Heh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #197

Love the juror who said the alerter might be a paid shill. merrily Apr 2015 #200

More likely the paid shills are the ones blasting the Democratic party treestar Apr 2015 #166

No one pays to attack center right Dems from the left. Quite the opposite. merrily Apr 2015 #215

No one's a paid shill on DU treestar Apr 2015 #241

Baloney. merrily Apr 2015 #245

Actually, they usually thrown in at least one more modifier, much as Republicans do. merrily Apr 2015 #190

"wild-eyed latte-drinking Volvo-driving, birkenstock wearing liberals" PassingFair Apr 2015 #253

Sounds more like a New Democrat. merrily Apr 2015 #257

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #264

And not only Marxist communism (with all the tendencies that entails) ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #284

You can make money posting on here!?!?!!???!!? LiberalElite Apr 2015 #321

Failure to lockstep with Cersei. Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #4

LOL! PennyK Apr 2015 #66

Well done. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #152

You have been awarded the internets. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #175

LOL! good one! (n/t) bread_and_roses Apr 2015 #217

I call myself far left because I am, Warpy Apr 2015 #5

Same feeling here. I view it as a politically unstable country. And the middle ground is going away RKP5637 Apr 2015 #32

Dont worry, the far right scares the average voter a lot more!! 7962 Apr 2015 #45

Yeah, that's why the far right did so poorly in the last election Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #141

That wasnt a national election. Easier to win in gerymandered districts 7962 Apr 2015 #185

It's not just gerrymandering Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #196

But Hillary still has a huge lead over any GOP candidate. 7962 Apr 2015 #243

A lead over a hypothetical opponent doesn't mean diddly this far out Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #247

I wonder why so many "far left" voters are in states like Alaska, Nebraska, Arkansas, and S Dakota? cascadiance Apr 2015 #68

+100. it's bizarro world. and the media are bought and paid for. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #146

Once the minimum wage became a ballot initiative, it was no longer a partisan issue Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #155

I'm all for increasing the minimum wage, but let's bear in mind, merrily Apr 2015 #202

I often see people use a politician's rhetoric to raise min wage (as the only tool to help the poor) Dragonfli Apr 2015 #306

Great post Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #332

Yes. And anyone honest and awake sees what has been in mind for safety nets by merrily Apr 2015 #334

Owned outright, by military contractors. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #331

Right with ya there, Warpy. This country scares the shit out of me. The people here Nay Apr 2015 #79

couldn't agree more marym625 Apr 2015 #113

same here drmeow Apr 2015 #143

^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^ "This country is no longer rational in any way" Enthusiast Apr 2015 #153

yup. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #177

I'm with ya. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #286

You advocate for the confiscation of all private property, bvar22 Apr 2015 #296

Maybe it is the posters saying Hillary is not left enough, this may make someone far far left. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #6

Why? Whatever someone else is does not define what "far left" is. cui bono Apr 2015 #14

Hillary is center right at best, yet you keep redefining the spectrum Dragonfli Apr 2015 #21

This is a UK chart, use the charts created in the US like this one. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #24

Oh, LOL that pop chart based on answers to questions and other soft rhetoric Dragonfli Apr 2015 #28

It decides if you are libertarian or authoritarian. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #38

you either did not read my post or are clueless, I can help you with neither. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #41

You say I am clueless, look at the chart you provided, does it have anything on the Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #44

slightly left to mid Left=liberal (far left is red territory) - clueless it is then, go to the site Dragonfli Apr 2015 #56

I know what right and left means, the chart you furnished does not show conserative, moderate Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #63

it would reveal all that to you if you did understand right left etc. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2015 #64

Uh... yes, it does. Marr Apr 2015 #73

Yeah laundry_queen Apr 2015 #107

As Upton Sinclair observed, merrily Apr 2015 #223

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #219

There is a third possibility. merrily Apr 2015 #207

Libertarian as a political concept, not as the Libertarian party. It's how the scale works. Do you Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #94

My question is where is the Liberal, Moderate, Populists, or Conserative section. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #103

You will have to wait until the primaries to see a chart showing you the R and D players for 2016 Dragonfli Apr 2015 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #261

That's because it's several years out of date okasha Apr 2015 #124

the 2016 chart will come during the primaries Dragonfli Apr 2015 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #205

That was a very thoughtful, intelligent, and patient answer to the poster's questions Dragonfli Apr 2015 #255

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #262

This really does need to be emphasized ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #291

Libertarian is the opposite of authoritarian Mnpaul Apr 2015 #310

Interesting thought rpannier Apr 2015 #34

Perhaps some would believe this but when you compare the charts of different people on the issues Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #47

Okay. Fair Enough rpannier Apr 2015 #57

Hillary is-- according to her-- a "centrist". Marr Apr 2015 #69

Actually from previous discussions I have learned that thinkingabout Dragonfli Apr 2015 #80

lots of contradictions there daredtowork Apr 2015 #123

See, you're not allowed to bring up what the candidate says about themselves, that's not fair. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #208

we were just talking about how the friction here nashville_brook Apr 2015 #7

We're tired of being told who to vote for and insulted and bullied when we dare question or liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #106

yes, and we're aware that not everyone here is rank and file nashville_brook Apr 2015 #129

Well said!! You should make this its own thread. JimDandy Apr 2015 #134

Didn't hurt, but the coronation attempt is far more incentive than anything that merrily Apr 2015 #209

To paraphrase Gore Vidal burrowowl Apr 2015 #8

+1 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #20

No, Eisenhower just had a public face that was very different from his private one. merrily Apr 2015 #210

How far left is too far? Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #9

According to the Turd Way shills hifiguy Apr 2015 #42

Where do I get my little Red Book? n/t Oldtimeralso Apr 2015 #54

Step out your back door, step 13 paces to the left, the Worlwide Red Menace Brotherhood Dragonfli Apr 2015 #117

I believe all of that as well... Moostache Apr 2015 #52

Whats a "completely public military"? 7962 Apr 2015 #53

I think and I could be speaking out of line but yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #61

I took it to mean no mercenaries or other contractors (I may be out of line as well but I think Dragonfli Apr 2015 #62

Oh, ok. I was thinking in a completely different direction!! 7962 Apr 2015 #78

What I mean is Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #144

I would agree with all of that but the draft. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #216

I agree. We have a great military force that is volunteer. 7962 Apr 2015 #246

Why not? Very few of our wars come out of nowhere, without any sort of foreshadowing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #251

Because if we actually did that, everything would end up funded that way 7962 Apr 2015 #273

Really? We might get far more done. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #275

No mercenaries--like Blackwater/Xe/Academi or whatever they are calling themselves now Demeter Apr 2015 #239

An excellent list, particularly since "a completely public health system" sounds like an NHS pampango Apr 2015 #170

I like that FDR Liberal title...I've been a bit confused myself. I'm thinking about Democratic libdem4life Apr 2015 #11

Third Way is not synonymous with liberal or progressive if that's what you're saying. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #15

Asking...I'd pretty much figured that one out...what used to be maybe a little left of libdem4life Apr 2015 #230

3rd way is exactly that. It's a break from either left or right. It tries to fall somewhere in the Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #101

You got it exactly right Dragonfli Apr 2015 #105

+1 Enthusiast Apr 2015 #157

That's a great description...thanks. I'll read it again. I see how it happened...I checked out libdem4life Apr 2015 #233

That's what I was used to, but I really resonate with Bernie's ideas, although I'll vote for a libdem4life Apr 2015 #231

Bernie Sanders may call himself a 'Democratic Sociaist' (and bliess his heart KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #112

Actually I've heard him compare himself to the European Social Democrats. libdem4life Apr 2015 #238

The far left Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #12

Blammo. hifiguy Apr 2015 #18

+1000! Fearless Apr 2015 #43

On DU, anyone railing against the "far left" is either absolutely ignorant Maedhros Apr 2015 #13

+1 When I see it utilized I laugh and see it as their attempt to give legitimacy to right wing/hawk Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #23

WORD. Think of the highest-profile person in the media who uses bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #59

Damn right. Some enjoy trying to upset FDR Democrats though. It's obvious. nt stillwaiting Apr 2015 #172

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #203

Or Canadian BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #224

All my Canadian friends are New Democrats which are to the left of the Liberals.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #268

It's an inside DU joke BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #314

I suspect I know of whom you speak. Maedhros Apr 2015 #317

You're not missing anything BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #319

DUZY... Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #19

kr ND-Dem Apr 2015 #22

accountability only goes so far reddread Apr 2015 #25

I agree that left or far left is not an appropriate term BainsBane Apr 2015 #26

just laugh at them, don't take it seriously. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #27

bravo SHRED Apr 2015 #29

I've been called far left many times over the past decade rpannier Apr 2015 #31

It is just something stupid conservatives spit like venom regardless of party affiliation when TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #33

Oh my friend it's not just conservatives. Phlem Apr 2015 #90

No, at least for the most part that is who they are if they believe anything at all whatever they TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #121

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #221

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem Apr 2015 #254

You haven't seen on DU how treestar Apr 2015 #242

It is election season. That means it is going to get mean, nasty, and ugly. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #35

I was called worse today. Martin Eden Apr 2015 #37

Oh dear, I guess all of us that opposed the Iraq war need to purchase tri-cornered hats Dragonfli Apr 2015 #46

"TeaLeft Purist??" Hissyspit Apr 2015 #84

I was in a thread today where a poster compared us to the mob that killed Jesus and Joan of Arc. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #89

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE... Hissyspit Apr 2015 #91

DU is being colonized by disgustingus Scootaloo Apr 2015 #164

What is a 'TeaLeft purist'? That is some seriously demented foam-spitting KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #115

Thanks Martin Eden Apr 2015 #176

lol daredtowork Apr 2015 #126

TeaLeft purist? ROFLMFAOPIMP. merrily Apr 2015 #220

I'm so glad you spelled that one out...had me there for a minute...LOL Thanks for the chuckle. libdem4life Apr 2015 #250

My pleasure. I am 100% in favor of chuckles. merrily Apr 2015 #258

Time to clear my ignore list again so I can see which jackass this was LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #227

K&R! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #39

You don't think there are super-liberals who talk about "tearing down the whole system"? PBass Apr 2015 #40

I'll make them a better deal: Moostache Apr 2015 #48

Today's "moderate Democrats" and "centrist Democrats" hifiguy Apr 2015 #290

It bothers me to see "far left" used here in the same way Republicans use "far left." Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #49

It's not subtle like a dog-whistle...don't think it a dog whistle HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #51

That insult started about the time the president decided mandatory for-profit health insurance was Doctor_J Apr 2015 #55

There is a Far Left just as there is a Far Right Yorktown Apr 2015 #60

How about Wall St execs just go to prison like regular criminals? Enthusiast Apr 2015 #159

Didn't Madoff get sent to prison? Yorktown Apr 2015 #365

Madoff ripped off the wealthy so he had to be punished to set an example. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #368

Madoff robbed average folks too Yorktown Apr 2015 #372

Well, I wouldn't COMPLETELY dismiss "the lamppost solution". Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #211

Comrade Stalin, I've recognized you. Yorktown Apr 2015 #366

the swooners again? Skittles Apr 2015 #65

The 'far left' is any part of the part that is not on the right fringe of the party, according to Marr Apr 2015 #67

hem allan01 Apr 2015 #71

Maybe I'm just uninformed, but PBass Apr 2015 #74

The term Far Left is often used to insult, to suggest a poster has an unreasonable position. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #160

This ^^^^^ haikugal Apr 2015 #183

Well said MissDeeds Apr 2015 #75

"What in God's name constitutes "the far left?"" Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #82

Or Communists Phlem Apr 2015 #87

There needs to be more of us in charge. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #88

Hear, Hear! truebluegreen Apr 2015 #92

I think that is Bill O'Reilly's catch phrase MiniMe Apr 2015 #93

K&R! Big time! marym625 Apr 2015 #96

As a "far-left radical" I support far left radical ideas like Social Security and Medicare. Scuba Apr 2015 #97

lol, aint that the truth, +1 whereisjustice Apr 2015 #139

FDR liberal. I like that title. I'll wear that one proudly. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #99

critical of Hillary's corporate debt, I was called a leftist version of the tea party, but thruth is whereisjustice Apr 2015 #100

If they are hardened extremists they are not centrists. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #161

They are not centrists, they are personality cultists. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #270

Links? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #104

Cheerlearder, swooner, apologist, one_voice Apr 2015 #108

Yes, exactly treestar Apr 2015 #168

Good point. DU's "circular firing squad" puts much energy into insulting each other rather pampango Apr 2015 #171

the less factual stuff they have the more they have to rely on rhetoric MisterP Apr 2015 #111

I always say that it is far better than being a UpInArms Apr 2015 #116

People with no care in the world about America, they don't live here Rex Apr 2015 #125

I don't give a damn what lame venom they spit and will only refrain from labeling them Wall St TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #127

Some here seem to believe FDR was "Far Left". nt Zorra Apr 2015 #130

I too am an FDR Democrat. I am not a socialist although I back Bernie JDPriestly Apr 2015 #135

Depends on what you think moderate means. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #138

Just what the republicans love MFM008 Apr 2015 #142

Another thing the Republicans love? Maedhros Apr 2015 #271

Hope to hell that is not "Far Left" n/t bobGandolf Apr 2015 #145

You're incensed about "far left" but the so-called far left calls some DUers "RW" and there's the Cha Apr 2015 #147

Awwww. Poor Cha. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #169

Thank you, Derek. That is entirely accurate. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #148

"Far Left" is actually straight-up Communism. DetlefK Apr 2015 #154

Kennedy's Cold Warrior side was beginning to thaw deutsey Apr 2015 #156

That speech, and JFK's oft-reported intention to pull hifiguy Apr 2015 #294

I agree. deutsey Apr 2015 #295

and prior to that... ensemble Apr 2015 #307

Yep. When he came face to face with the logical consequences of Cold War hifiguy Apr 2015 #309

Kick! Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #158

This is just another version bvf Apr 2015 #162

Thank you DerekG! RiverLover Apr 2015 #163

...!!! KoKo Apr 2015 #301

theres a far right and a far left treestar Apr 2015 #165

Your second sentence is complete rubbish. So is your fourth, and your first, and your third. nt stillwaiting Apr 2015 #174

But it appears you have no answer treestar Apr 2015 #235

treestar you are on record as believing that the Wall Street economy improving is pretty much stillwaiting Apr 2015 #249

Democrats are not the far left. (LOL, who the fuck called Mittens liberal?) merrily Apr 2015 #218

The far right. treestar Apr 2015 #237

As to Mitt: When he ran against Kennedy for the Senate merrily Apr 2015 #244

Obama calls his own economic policies "mainstream 1980's Republican" and LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #263

Embrace it, is my advice Scootaloo Apr 2015 #167

That's a very good point..And I have always embraced it, Thanks! haikugal Apr 2015 #204

To some people it's anyone to the left of Temujin. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #173

The real far left vive la commune Apr 2015 #178

Dragging the country right. And we know that never ends well. merrily Apr 2015 #222

Most of them have never seen anything left of a moderate. Strat54 Apr 2015 #184

I would rec this, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #189

It really does comes down to corporate or populist Dems. (REAL populists, that is.) polichick Apr 2015 #192

....! KoKo Apr 2015 #214

A-freakin'-men! meow2u3 Apr 2015 #195

The center right of the Democratic Party in 1940 would not even recognize Third Way as Democrats. merrily Apr 2015 #198

In the U.S., LWolf Apr 2015 #199

In the US, the far left is Communist or left anarchist, not the left of the Democratic Party. merrily Apr 2015 #212

Yes, and LWolf Apr 2015 #349

A worthy topic for discussion, perhaps, but not relevant to my point. merrily Apr 2015 #351

I assume that your point is LWolf Apr 2015 #353

The left of the Democratic Party is not the "far far left" or some fringe group, as I have merrily Apr 2015 #354

Okay. LWolf Apr 2015 #355

No, you didn't change. The bs changed. merrily Apr 2015 #359

That's the truth. nt LWolf Apr 2015 #370

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #376

Take your false accusations about my alleged deviousness and merrily Apr 2015 #378

What is the modern corporate political structure? treestar Apr 2015 #316

"here?" LWolf Apr 2015 #350

that's very general treestar Apr 2015 #356

Which has LWolf Apr 2015 #369

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #375

Kicked&Recommended! butterfly77 Apr 2015 #201

"The Far Left" is just 3 Words fredamae Apr 2015 #225

Left what?... freebrew Apr 2015 #226

Why do you even care about being called the far left? Renew Deal Apr 2015 #229

There is NO far-left in the US media RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #232

There is, it merely isn't that popular treestar Apr 2015 #311

The reason that their ideas do not catch on is not popularity RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #347

People can't think for themselves? treestar Apr 2015 #357

No they cannot RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #361

well really is no such thing PatrynXX Apr 2015 #240

The far left is the most right. Orsino Apr 2015 #260

This far leftist is not offering the same deal, just say'n. harun Apr 2015 #265

I think it's interesting that so many people consider far left an insult BainsBane Apr 2015 #266

I agree and if a person is a Marxist treestar Apr 2015 #312

It wouldn't BainsBane Apr 2015 #325

Gay? Roy Rolling Apr 2015 #269

The far left never had any power. Just ask Bill Kristol.... americannightmare Apr 2015 #272

Code from the astroturfers to make anyone at FDR liberal or left of Cleita Apr 2015 #277

BBC commentator was rumbling "far left" and "fringe candidate" butt gas when referencing... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #297

It Irritates Me As Well. colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #298

"I welcome their hatred" RiverLover Apr 2015 #304

Far leftist is like, you know, Ronald Reagan. tclambert Apr 2015 #300

Wasn't "The Far Left" Gary Larson's old comic panel? Ken Burch Apr 2015 #308

The Overton Window is so far right in this country DirkGently Apr 2015 #318

I like that idea. A lot. RiverLover Apr 2015 #343

At least one poster here repeatedly uses "fringe left" to describe City Lights Apr 2015 #320

Really? Bonobo Apr 2015 #335

LOL! City Lights Apr 2015 #352

i consider myself fairly far left. barbtries Apr 2015 #341

typical Nader voter = far left beachbum bob Apr 2015 #342

FDR Liberal???? One of the 99 Apr 2015 #348

Oh yes, that's the part of FDR's legacy we treasure. RiverLover Apr 2015 #367

But FDR is not just the New Deal One of the 99 Apr 2015 #371

When we speak of FDR economic populism/progressivism, that is what we are speaking to. RiverLover Apr 2015 #373

That's only part of FDR's legacy One of the 99 Apr 2015 #374

LOL @ "centrists" Matrosov Apr 2015 #377

Kick for the "Far Left". Zorra Apr 2015 #379