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JDPriestly

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17. I'm with Bernie on trade. No to more trade agreements, especially
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:48 PM
Apr 2015

if they involve international trade courts that will decide matters that should be decided only through the democratic and judicial processes established in our Constitution and law.

No to the TPP. And lets renegotiate, one-on-one, country-by-country, our existing trade agreements with the nations with which we want to trade.

I recall when, in the 1940s through the 1970s, China was viewed as a backward, rather helpless country. It had enormous overpopulation and was unable to feed its people. In addition, it was governed by a kind of crazy regime that abused the most fundamental human rights.

We began to trade with China and it now has a large trade surplus while we have a large trade deficit.

And much of China's economic prowess and domination in the world today is due to the insane amount of low-cost goods that we and other developed countries import from it.

Meanwhile, our industrial base is disappearing, nearly gone. We exported our jobs, butt not just our jobs, we also exported our pollution, the dirty smokestacks, the coal-burning factories, the bad environmental policies that we had before we shipped them off to China. And now we want to send even more work to countries in which the people will reduced to working without protective environmental or workplace standards.

No to the TPP. Let's learn to make products with environmentally safe processes and factories here in the US.

As long as we still have homeless people on our streets in the US, we should not be shipping jobs to other countries. We need first to insure a life of dignity for every American and then trade with other countries. We can do that through a system of one-on-one trade agreements as opposed to regional trade agreements. We can exercise leverage with one-on-one trade agreements that will truly lift up the countries with which we trade as well as our own country.

These regional trade agreements are not just a race to the bottom when it comes to labor and environmental and product quality standards but also when it comes to human rights issues.

And shame on us. China, a country in which human rights abuses are so common and in which much of the industry is either owned by the government or closely regulated by the government (and not for environmental safety or labor fairness) has surpassed us in terms of economic progress and output. We have very creative inventors and businessmen, but I have to ask what is wrong with our system that we have fallen so far behind China in terms of our balance of trade?

I do not think the problem is that our wages are too high to be competitive or that our environmental standards are too restrictive. I think the problem is that so much of our economy is in the hands of greedy private individuals and companies that sell us the idea that privatization is the way to go but that produce their products in a country in which the government decides much economic policy and then sell those products to us for profits they then hide in tax havens around the world.

The success of China begs the question as to what economic theory and system is working in the world today. Are we even told the truth about the Chinese system that has created such an economic behemoth in that country?

I'm asking questions about our economic system and just whether it is competitive enough. Questions I never thought I would ask.

And I am also questioning the wisdom and utility of yet another trade agreement. I think we need to rethink our attitudes and assumptions about our economic system considering the slow growth and lack of adaptability in it. (Where are our high speed trains? Look what China and Japan have built?) And we need to say no to regional trade agreements until we have made a thorough and objective study of their impact on our economy and have explored whether one-on-one trade agreements would be a better way to enter the arena of world trade.

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K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #1
K&R SamKnause Apr 2015 #2
K&R haikugal Apr 2015 #3
K & R appalachiablue Apr 2015 #4
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie -- Be honest. Hoyt Apr 2015 #5
You do know what a quote is don't you? Bernie did not say "corporations". Fail. L0oniX Apr 2015 #8
"The TPP is a treaty that has been written behind closed doors by the corporate world." -- B Sanders Hoyt Apr 2015 #9
Drew Quinn Mnpaul Apr 2015 #23
Besides your being wrong, you want "the rent's too high guy," negotiating (although I love him). Hoyt Apr 2015 #25
Don't tell me who I want negotiating our trade agreements Mr. Strawman Mnpaul Apr 2015 #27
You were obviously wrong about who the negotiator is. Didn't even have the decency to apologize to Hoyt Apr 2015 #28
When are you going to apologize? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #30
Show me where I spread a lie like you just did. You might not like my opinion, but I know not Hoyt Apr 2015 #32
Blame Obama? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #34
No, you printed the background of the wrong guy, not that of the diplomat negotiating. Hoyt Apr 2015 #37
and you stated I blamed Obama Mnpaul Apr 2015 #38
Well what do you call your post #33 Hoyt Apr 2015 #40
and now you are attempting to pull in a response from another sub thread Mnpaul Apr 2015 #42
Can read pretty fast, up and down the thread. Look at the time codes. Have a good evening hating Hoyt Apr 2015 #44
When all else fails Mnpaul Apr 2015 #45
Of course the list is not a complete list. Were any labor unions involved? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #10
Glad you asked. Hoyt Apr 2015 #11
Hold on one minute. Just because labor provided input doesn't mean the input was rhett o rick Apr 2015 #14
Well, they don't listen to me either. I believe in worker protection, but I do not believe Hoyt Apr 2015 #16
"I do not believe View profile we can generate the money we need for health care, education, rhett o rick Apr 2015 #18
Do you not get it that Obama's trade agreement will help. Besides the jobs that are transferable Hoyt Apr 2015 #19
For the last several decades corporations have done very well. They flourished rhett o rick Apr 2015 #20
So we tax them, like I said. I don't see alternative. Maybe a cultural shift over decades. Hoyt Apr 2015 #21
Once again with the garbage talk. That's enough for me. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #22
I am sick and tired of this bullshit. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #47
I appreciate this poster's willingness to argue on behalf of the TPP. He shows me that rhett o rick Apr 2015 #48
I think the recent tax break that was passed just last Thursday pretty much proves, taxing AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #26
Obama's Columbian trade agreement really helped the workers in Columbia Mnpaul Apr 2015 #29
Like that was Obama's fault, the agreement included protections -- should he have sent the army? Hoyt Apr 2015 #31
Yeah we know, it's never Obamas fault Mnpaul Apr 2015 #33
The agreement included requirements to allow workers to unionize. It's never enough when it's Obama. Hoyt Apr 2015 #36
Everyone is picking on Obama Mnpaul Apr 2015 #39
Like I said, do you want to send in military. It's Columbia's responsibility, as a party to the Hoyt Apr 2015 #41
These strawman arguments are getting old Mnpaul Apr 2015 #43
Mega K & R L0oniX Apr 2015 #6
Called & K & R Vincardog Apr 2015 #7
I stand with Bernie MissDeeds Apr 2015 #12
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #13
Done, thank you! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #15
I'm with Bernie on trade. No to more trade agreements, especially JDPriestly Apr 2015 #17
Argh! Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #24
K&R 99Forever Apr 2015 #35
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #46
K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #49
Yes it must be stopped and Bernie needs to run for President. Autumn Apr 2015 #50
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