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Warren DeMontague

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185. "I'm not sure why you want to defend Right Wing Trolls" - straw man.

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:17 PM

Apr 2015

Yeah, we're talking past each other.

criticism of a candidate that supports another candidate (a real candidate): Okay, O'Malley - who may be running, it's certainly within the realm of possibility - recently criticized Hillary Clinton both on her vote for the IWR and the fact that she only relatively recently "evolved" on marriage equality.

So now that I have put it in the context of an approved alternative (unless he's not) NOW can I criticize Hillary for voting for war in Iraq? Or changing her tune on LGBT marriage?

Just curious.

If you're calling the person you responded to originally a RW troll, you're not only out of line, you're breaking the rules. If you're NOT doing that, then your arguments in this thread -- which all followed his post-- don't make any coherent sense.

As for the rest of it, sure. You feel the way you do, and I do the same. That tough shit logic works both ways.

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If you don't like HRC don't vote for her. seriously, nobody is going to beg you [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP

People should vote as they choose. Always. MineralMan Apr 2015 #1

K&R for your response here. We can't have a GOP POTUS, period. Wish I had your confidence on that.nt freshwest Apr 2015 #49

Not confidence. Just hope driven by desperation. MineralMan Apr 2015 #55

Agreed, we're living a Koch poisoned media atmosphere. It takes its toll. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #61

A vigorous primary often means a STRONGER candidate in the general. Not weaker. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #158

Uh, I'm in favor of a strong primary. MineralMan Apr 2015 #160

Good. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #161

See, here's the thing: MineralMan Apr 2015 #162

You have zero influence? Shit, i dont. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #163

By the time the presidential primaries come to my state, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #175

Oh, my primary -vote- doesn't carry a ton of weight, either. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #179

"The alternative is unthinkable." workinclasszero Apr 2015 #83

2007 called. It wants it's OP back. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #2

If somebody else wins the primary, I'll be voting for him/her. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #4

Fantastic. What state is this Some One person from? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #5

In 2007, Obama announced only in February, but won the damned thing! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8

Yes, he was. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #16

I will correct my OP. I'd checked and a CNN article dated May 2 came up. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #20

You're welcome. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #28

This time around, Sanders DIDN'T announce in February...neither did Warren brooklynite Apr 2015 #66

the 2007 announcement was only a formality, he already had an organization going and everyone knew JI7 Apr 2015 #140

So in essense, the argument to support Hillary in the primaries is "you have no other choice" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #159

Those are your words, not mine. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #167

Apparently, you should talk to the people you're presumably railing against, then. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #168

Well, you were the one that was railing to me, so... Thor_MN Apr 2015 #169

And every time you think you're being clever with that "someone else" shtick Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #170

What's the problem? Since you are not one of the people that you believe I'm railing against, Thor_MN Apr 2015 #171

I'd need to see the "right wing attacks" in question, before I would agree with that assessment Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #172

How, precisely, did you decide that my "POWERFUL MESSAGE" is no other choice? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #173

I'm gonna do what you did, in your post here. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #178

I can speak for myself and it is damn impudent for you to think you can (incorrectly) summarize Thor_MN Apr 2015 #180

Oh, my, I've been "impudent". Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #181

No, you have conflated what I have said with what you would like to think I said. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #184

"I'm not sure why you want to defend Right Wing Trolls" - straw man. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #185

We are having a Primary....she is just walking away with because WE Democrats WANT HER!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #36

"she is just walking away with because WE Democrats WANT HER!!!" darkangel218 Apr 2015 #48

Yes, WE Democrats... brooklynite Apr 2015 #70

Not all WE Democrats or WE Durs support her. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #71

Not all those opposed to her here ARE Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #78

Not all those who support her ARE Democrats... cui bono Apr 2015 #121

I think that when we get a few other Democrats campaigning Hillary's poll Autumn Apr 2015 #74

Why...she had those numbers before SHE announced... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #80

So she's polling to win a primary in which she is the only candidate. cui bono Apr 2015 #119

The names of other prospective candidates have always been included in polling... brooklynite Apr 2015 #143

Still no officially declared and signed-up candidates, are there? Other than HRC? pnwmom Apr 2015 #84

Exactly! its too early to say shes walking away with the nomination! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #86

Excuse me? You are putting words in my mouth. Taylorz Apr 2015 #76

Exactly. Well said. cui bono Apr 2015 #122

You don't have to be an HRC supporter to be a Democrat. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #87

"walking away"? You have decided it already? nt Logical Apr 2015 #130

Yeah, a good example of magical thinking. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #134

It's tough. It is between Alfred E Newman, or Pat Paulsen still_one Apr 2015 #3

Really? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #6

that was unfair on my part arely staircase Apr 2015 #7

hits bottom G_j Apr 2015 #9

fuck nader and his merry band of losers and cheney enablers nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #15

Nader has nothing to do with this and you know it. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #77

and his merry band of losers nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #104

You can't equate all anti-HRC sentiment with Naderism. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #107

That is BS! RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #85

why not throw in Attiila the Hun for good measure? nt G_j Apr 2015 #112

It gets really old doesn't it? nt Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #67

Naderites like Rahm Emanuel? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #13

+ 1,000,0000,000,000,0000 to that simple fact of life reddread Apr 2015 #149

+100000000000000. ^THIS^ misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #35

Bitter Naderites? Seriously? DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #10

Naderites? Who are the "Naderites"? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #11

losers and GOP fellow travellers. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #17

So we are "losers" for not wanting to vote for Clinton? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #39

Kinda seems like a "with us or against us mentality" Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #64

more like a who gives a shit what people who claim to be dems but never support one think mentality arely staircase Apr 2015 #111

Examples of those "plenty of regular posters here who have never openly supported a democrat on this darkangel218 Apr 2015 #115

that is against the rules (naming people) nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #116

Feel free to PM me. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #118

Cop Out. bvar22 Apr 2015 #124

+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #126

naderites are losers arely staircase Apr 2015 #106

LMAO!!! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #114

So losers and GOP "fellow travellers" need not apply? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #42

+1 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #43

Who are you...the Spawn of Benchley? Ken Burch Apr 2015 #79

People should vote for whomever they want. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #12

The reptilian brains ARE the opponents! Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #14

If you don't like HRC (you need a comma here) don't vote for her. That's absolute genius ! Hoppy Apr 2015 #18

what do you mean by 'do't'? arely staircase Apr 2015 #21

Unfortunately, I have bad eyes (blind in one of them) so when I am posting on iPhone, stuff happens. Hoppy Apr 2015 #24

Petty. Grow up. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #38

Hillary is that you? Enrique Apr 2015 #19

bull. I will get robot calls, mail, email, friends, unknowns, radio ads, JanMichael Apr 2015 #22

why? you think Al Gore is a capitalist lap dog and so will be Clinton? arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

a realist. go back to the du archives from 2001 on. JanMichael Apr 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalElite Apr 2015 #23

lol. I voted for Obama twice, donated, and canvased for him. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #26

+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #37

Quelle surprise. JTFrog Apr 2015 #50

Just as nasty as calling DUrs Naderites and losers , like the OP did. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #51

Yea, that's much nastier than what that poster said. JTFrog Apr 2015 #52

Im not going to alert on you. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #53

I wouldn't care if you did. JTFrog Apr 2015 #54

I wouldnt bother. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #56

You are so cute. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #63

Except you do bother all the time. JTFrog Apr 2015 #94

I was refering to alerting on you, since you thought i would darkangel218 Apr 2015 #95

IBTD. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #97

! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #108

hate away then. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #44

Nice community standards DU. JTFrog Apr 2015 #45

we'll see. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #68

You could take your chances I guess. JTFrog Apr 2015 #69

she'll have my support PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #72

I guess some of us will just have to work twice as hard then. JTFrog Apr 2015 #93

Must support Democratic nominees. bvar22 Apr 2015 #125

I was a Hillary supporter to the very end in 2008 Autumn Apr 2015 #102

Eagerly anticipated? JTFrog Apr 2015 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Apr 2015 #110

It's a primary, we don't all agree on who should be the candidate. And that is okay. Autumn Apr 2015 #113

SLSPDD Puglover Apr 2015 #139

Hey! I missed you. Love the SLSPDD Autumn Apr 2015 #141

No, you shouldn't be called a Naderite. You should be called a Republican. tritsofme Apr 2015 #98

yes, actions do have consequences PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #128

Dress it up however you like. If you don't vote for Hillary in the general, you support Republicans. tritsofme Apr 2015 #131

Cart <horse. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #135

That is a very safe assumption. There will be a primary in 2016, but it will differ little from tritsofme Apr 2015 #137

In 2012 we had a sitting president. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #142

There are no other high quality candidates moving toward a run. tritsofme Apr 2015 #144

The multiple serious contenders were not yet in the race at this time in 2008. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #145

Obama announced in February, Edwards announced earlier in December. tritsofme Apr 2015 #146

There's more than a year before the convention. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #148

There is actually precious little time for a top tier candidate to get in the race. tritsofme Apr 2015 #151

Typical of Clinton supporters. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #156

IOKIYAATW"D" reddread Apr 2015 #150

Cool! I glad it it works that way Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #27

My personal belief is: It's way to early for me to make up my mind about which Democrat I'm ... BlueJazz Apr 2015 #29

Most sensible post of the day. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #46

Thank you much. That was very nice of you. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #155

In the primary I won't no matter what....In the general there really would be no other choice. yourout Apr 2015 #30

If no one gives a shit, then why the need for OPs like this? djean111 Apr 2015 #31

Shh.. reverse psychology! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #33

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #65

I wasn't planning on. nt darkangel218 Apr 2015 #32

What's the point of having this same simplistic sufrommich Apr 2015 #40

I think the point was to insult G_j Apr 2015 #57

Exactly. nt darkangel218 Apr 2015 #58

Why can't we be friends DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #41

Sometimes I don't...speak...right. Iggo Apr 2015 #89

I'm rec'ing but wouldn't have put it that way. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #47

. Autumn Apr 2015 #59

You don't know people who aren't voting for Hillary, voted for Nader betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #60

Hillary hasn't paid me yet so I won't beg. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #62

2nd OP I've see this week trying to run offf Hillary voters. bvar22 Apr 2015 #73

Yep.. Taylorz Apr 2015 #88

Okay, then! Iggo Apr 2015 #75

May not vote for her in the primary, depends on who runs MiniMe Apr 2015 #81

Political opposition is not hate. LWolf Apr 2015 #82

They are not Naderdites, unfortunately can't say what they are here. William769 Apr 2015 #90

+1 n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #91

DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #92

so you think pissing off other dems wins elections betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #96

What is a dameocrat, anyway?...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #99

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #101

Someone alerted... Agschmid Apr 2015 #117

Thanks for the heads up... SidDithers Apr 2015 #120

OK. But, my vote is not decided on the "likeability" factor. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #100

I can't predict the future BainsBane Apr 2015 #105

We don't have to beg, they'll vote for her. ileus Apr 2015 #109

You forgot the link to the Onion, or maybe Highlights? cui bono Apr 2015 #123

Are we back in grade school? marym625 Apr 2015 #127

does seem more like batshit ratfucking than electioneering, doesnt it? reddread Apr 2015 #153

I believe it is marym625 Apr 2015 #154

LOL, drunk? This post cracked me up. nt Logical Apr 2015 #129

Fascinating. Yet *another* deliberately baiting post by the "defenders" of Hillary. woo me with science Apr 2015 #132

This has probably already been asked, but why post this dumbass invective if you "don't care"? whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #133

If you don't give a shit why the need to insult people? I will vote for Sanders no matter how liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #136

it really is about wanting attention and people to beg them JI7 Apr 2015 #138

Hillary, please save us from your supporters. nt. neverforget Apr 2015 #147

Oh, yeah, there hasn't been any abuse of non-HRC fans here Doctor_J Apr 2015 #152

I dont want her to "beg for" my PRIMARY vote. Silly me, I'd like her to EARN it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #157

wow. lol! m-lekktor Apr 2015 #164

wha? Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #165

I don't know which is more amusing: the assumption that Hillary will be elected, winter is coming Apr 2015 #166

Jeezus, Mary and Joseph. ...... A year and a half of this shit. marmar Apr 2015 #174

Bookmarking this Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #176

WQe certainly do have haters in our party too. bobGandolf Apr 2015 #177

. Rex Apr 2015 #182

I have no special hatred for Hillary. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2015 #183

"...it's becoming quite apparent who the Dems are going to choose as their nominee." Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #186