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The Green Manalishi

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70. Not 'tear her down'

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:24 PM

Apr 2015

It's that I want to see pressure, lots of pressure, for her to repudiate publicly her neocon positions.

I want her begging for forgiveness for her Iraq vote (actually I'd like everybody who didn't activelyPROTEST the war in a defendant box at the Hague). Everyone who voted for that war is a war criminal and should be brought to justice.

I want her to have to jump through some hoops to get the nomination; it's not 'hers' for the asking; she's not the most worthy, just the most electable.

I think everyone on this board would say she would beat the hell out of anyone the Republicans nominate, but I want her to have to run as a DEMOCRAT, on record and scrutinized closely by us. Yeah, I'll vote, and work for her if she's the nominee, but she needs to feel some party discipline instead of entitlement.

So far I'm rather happy with her stated positions, but she needs scrutiny on foreign policy.

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good point samsingh Apr 2015 #1

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i agree samsingh Apr 2015 #89

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That was so beautiful, it takes your breath away. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #65

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+1 n/t jaysunb Apr 2015 #5

but the dnc is incompetent .isn't that why people are always JI7 Apr 2015 #6

They may be "incompetent" but they certainly have power justiceischeap Apr 2015 #10

no this is not true. Obama certainly DID want to run JI7 Apr 2015 #12

She's not helping. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #17

Surely you are aware that DWS serves at the DURHAM D Apr 2015 #29

The White House picks the head of the DNC? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #55

When the Dems have the WH DURHAM D Apr 2015 #61

I agree with you about the bench. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #67

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should have been kicked to the curb a long time ago! bvar22 Apr 2015 #34

Incompetence and having power are mutually exclusive swilton Apr 2015 #36

Controlling the resources does not automatically translate into using them well. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #66

Great idea! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #4

fRom my experience i think many like to mostly complain JI7 Apr 2015 #8

To be fair, support for Warren May be weak zappaman Apr 2015 #15

This ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #76

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I have not decided who I will support, but I need to say this: Raine1967 Apr 2015 #38

You can cheer on Sanders and Warren without denigrating other Dems MaggieD Apr 2015 #39

Well, JD. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #71

Your experience is insufficient demwing Apr 2015 #48

You sure got that right! Andy823 Apr 2015 #50

+1 treestar Apr 2015 #51

I agree with that, however good luck convincing others that want Bernie or Warren to win. Rex Apr 2015 #9

...how about instead of attacking the people who arent on board with HRC Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #11

I haven't attacked anyone in my OP. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #20

I'm just making a sort of general suggestion, as are you! Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #23

fair enough Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #37

I really did not see this as an attack. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #40

I have lots of positive things to say about any Democrat who didn't vote for the IWR Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #13

I second that. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #19

Did you vote for Kerry? nt Andy823 Apr 2015 #78

Yes, and I'm perfectly happy to have this conversation-- Again. Even though Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #80

Like who? Jim Webb? leveymg Apr 2015 #14

Exactly what you say! yallerdawg Apr 2015 #16

Maybs some are chronic complainers, Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #18

Because Clinton is the presumptive candidate... MellowDem Apr 2015 #21

What a concept! mcar Apr 2015 #24

K&R. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #25

People work with what they have available... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #26

Justifiable and accepted criticism...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #27

Yes, it is "tearing down" and it's not good MaggieD Apr 2015 #35

Democrats? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #62

If you don't support Dem Politicians and party agenda.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #85

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You can't hear yourself talk though . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #87

Significant facts? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #73

You're a big fan of ghadaffi? MaggieD Apr 2015 #84

Bernie !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #31

Bernie is not going to be president MaggieD Apr 2015 #32

Thanks, as long as I don't become a mindless cheerleader. orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #42

Hils is just more popular than the others..... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #74

Irony impaired, eh? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #59

No, not typically MaggieD Apr 2015 #82

So in a thread that asks that people build up their candidates ratehr than tear them down LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #94

In what way am I tearing Bernie down? MaggieD Apr 2015 #96

Hopeless LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #97

Hopeless to get me to agree.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #98

As I said, hopelessly irony impaired LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #99

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I am not going to waste my time on dumb anymore. Goodbye LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #102

Sounds good to me MaggieD Apr 2015 #103

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+1000 ! I wonder if they argue on free - press ? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #45

Did I get lost on my way to DU? Such logic I haven't seen recently! George II Apr 2015 #46

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So...the OP said negative things about other Dem candidates? Moonwalk Apr 2015 #56

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? cantbeserious Apr 2015 #53

Yes, I'm ready for the Oligarchy...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #77

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A-freaking-Men Thor_MN Apr 2015 #63

Barbara Lee! clg311 Apr 2015 #68

That is not the agenda of some. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #69

Not 'tear her down' The Green Manalishi Apr 2015 #70

Because you don't mean it whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #72

In a political campaign a candidate must go negative to win. morningfog Apr 2015 #75

Yup bigwillq Apr 2015 #104

Here we go again........ peace13 Apr 2015 #79

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Here's a deal for ya: LWolf Apr 2015 #88

Kick for common sense. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #90

Cause haters gonna hate. n/t MoonRiver Apr 2015 #91

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What would be effective is outbiding the others on issues JonLP24 Apr 2015 #93

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Negativity is about voter suppression. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #101

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