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DetlefK

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30. Now you are trying to have it both ways.

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:32 AM

Apr 2015

Please decide:
Does everybody suck (meaning that evil is an intentional choice) or do only some people suck (meaning that people are forced into evil)?

Please tell me more how Europe is responsible for the Libyan rebels killing each other.
Please tell me more how Europe is responsible for Assad bombing his own people.
Please tell me more how Europe is responsible for Sunnis and Shias killing each other for centuries.
Please tell me more how Europe is responsible for Boko Haram kidnapping girls in Nigeria.
Please tell me more how Europe is responsible for Morsi abusing his governmental powers until a second coup was staged?

The Germans made a choice when they decided to kill all the Jews.
They were lured into it by propaganda and their dictator but in the end it was their decision, not an external force.

Likewise all the examples I listed are about a choice.
These people aren't pressured into killing each other. They made the willing decision to kill each other.

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Why Europe Lets People Drown - The Automatic Earth [View all] MattSh Apr 2015 OP

It's Europe's fault that the smugglers used a shitty boat? DetlefK Apr 2015 #1

Check out Europe's role in the wars in the ME and North Africa malaise Apr 2015 #8

If not America and Europe, who are the shining beacons of human rights and dignity? DetlefK Apr 2015 #10

There are no shining beacons of human rights and dignity malaise Apr 2015 #19

You are not very good at making your argument. DetlefK Apr 2015 #22

Because America and Europe have imposed their preferred dictators in their countries malaise Apr 2015 #27

Now you are trying to have it both ways. DetlefK Apr 2015 #30

No you adress Amerca's and Europe's current roles malaise Apr 2015 #31

Just 4 things: DetlefK Apr 2015 #34

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #36

And we all know the Brits are famous for their humor. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #43

Your kind? Looks to me that you are the one making generalizations and deflecting from suffragette Apr 2015 #49

Excellent post sis malaise Apr 2015 #52

Thanks sis suffragette Apr 2015 #58

Eurocentrism is uncurable. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #44

We did get involved in Iran 50 years ago treestar Apr 2015 #41

So Europe and America (I assume you mean North America, or just the United States of America?) snooper2 Apr 2015 #50

"what Europe did to Africa to enrich one race of folks was the worst genocide in history" EX500rider Apr 2015 #45

Australia has had a policy for many years of denying entry to asylum seekers by the boatload underahedgerow Apr 2015 #2

So, the US, the EU, and NATO go in and wreck their country... MattSh Apr 2015 #4

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Apr 2015 #32

Which countries are wrecked? treestar Apr 2015 #42

Russia has had a hand in Syria's civil war, too Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #48

Britian stole Australia from the indigenous people malaise Apr 2015 #20

This is just the leading edge of the coming tsunami of climate/economic refugees GliderGuider Apr 2015 #3

The UN thinks Africa's population will double by 2050 AngryAmish Apr 2015 #12

+100 - Questions that everyone needs to be asking themselves. nt GliderGuider Apr 2015 #17

Interesting thread going on right now at city data forum from european's perspective E-Z-B Apr 2015 #5

Full of racists, like most city data forums are. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #16

It's echoing this entire thread on DU. Are you calling everyone here racists, too? E-Z-B Apr 2015 #18

Moral High Ground? SCVDem Apr 2015 #6

"Europe" "let" ??? treestar Apr 2015 #7

Under UN Refugee Treaty, they have all vowed not to "refoule" (return) people fleeing persecution leveymg Apr 2015 #11

I think under the UN plan the cases start treestar Apr 2015 #13

No. Under the UN Refugee treaty, asylum is supposed to be granted by receiving countries on arrival. leveymg Apr 2015 #21

That doesn't address the charge that Europe were somehow responsible for the deaths. DetlefK Apr 2015 #24

There are three aspects to Europe's responsibility for these refugees. leveymg Apr 2015 #26

Europe didn't block access to asylum treestar Apr 2015 #35

The images we saw yesterday were from a sinking near the coast, within territorial waters leveymg Apr 2015 #38

Again where does the UN treaty say anything about all that? treestar Apr 2015 #40

You're confusing the UN Refugee Convention with the UN Charter leveymg Apr 2015 #47

So has the UN determined that the US or France treestar Apr 2015 #54

Didn't in the case of Iraq, either. leveymg Apr 2015 #55

Yeah, this is a bit over the top for me -- Europe can hardly accept huge boatloads Nay Apr 2015 #9

And these aren't even the poorest people TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #14

When does Italy become responsible for them? 1939 Apr 2015 #15

When they enter territorial waters or when they make a refugee claim and have ties to Italy. leveymg Apr 2015 #23

I believe it's when they set foot on the ground, literally. And the bigger question is Why should underahedgerow Apr 2015 #25

Entering territorial waters is the same as setting foot across a land border, as far as UNHCR leveymg Apr 2015 #28

We've been letting Haitians drown on their way here cwydro Apr 2015 #29

Because the migrants are Black Africans 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #33

Many are Arabs.i think the current rise is mostly because JI7 Apr 2015 #57

I feel for Europe. moondust Apr 2015 #37

There was a time...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #39

Very well said malaise Apr 2015 #46

Yep. This message will be ignored by racists, bigots, and other undesirables, closeupready Apr 2015 #56

Europe lets people drown... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2015 #51

I get it JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #53