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109. Yes, she surely could be more progressive on economic issues! That said, ...

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:36 AM

Apr 2015

I'll be completely honest and admit that I am a democratic socialist, so I of course think that she is far too cozy with the bankers and other 1%-ers. I will vote for anyone who is more progressive than Secretary Clinton on economic issues in my state's primary, assuming someone does run against her and hasn't dropped out by that time. I want the pre-convention economic discussions dragged to the left, even if it's dragged there kicking and screaming. That said, ...

I am a pragmatist, and I've never bought into the whole "the lesser of two evils is still evil" garbage. We live in a real nation in a real world where real elections have real consequences, and I have no intention of doing ANYTHING that will increase the chances of some dominionist, recationary, Teapublican ASSHOLE winning in '16! On her worst day, Secretary Clinton shares and will promote an agenda that is FAR better and more compatible with my principles than an Teapublican. I will, in fact, work my butt off to see that she wins, if she is our nominee.

Don't overthink this one, my fellow progressives-- it's not a difficult choice.

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It is not Secretary Clinton's credibility on social issues that many Democrats [View all] Zorra Apr 2015 OP

K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #1

I agree Hillary will have a HARDER time seeming FDR-ish than Obama BUT.. BUT.. they hate Obama uponit7771 Apr 2015 #2

My problem with Obama and Hillary in 2008 was their stands on economic issues rurallib Apr 2015 #9

And I still believe that Edwards was "left in the race" to siphon off our votes... cascadiance Apr 2015 #85

K&R. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #3

I don't trust her on social issues Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #4

I sincerely believe that she has completely evolved on the issue of marriage equality. Zorra Apr 2015 #5

I sincerely believe she's been faking it the whole time... MellowDem Apr 2015 #56

I will never forget her "let the states decide" crap. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #6

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Jimmy Carter is not running for Presidency in 2016, is he?? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #14

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He is NOT running for Presidency!!! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #19

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My reply is "shittly"? darkangel218 Apr 2015 #29

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You need to check your attitude, if a few exclamation marks make you so angry. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #33

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You can use the f word all you want, it aint going to make it true. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #37

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something is happening to do. i click my post, and get your post. hmmm. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #43

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lol lol. i can get ot my post if i scroll down, so still there. seabeyond Apr 2015 #46

Hillary Clinton's evolution on LGBT issues justiceischeap Apr 2015 #48

This. Agschmid Apr 2015 #50

Now, compare her evolution Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #95

What does she have to apologize for? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #97

Again, Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #98

Don't bring Kissinger into LGBT issues. justiceischeap Apr 2015 #100

She only switched her views on Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #102

I don't doubt her sincerity when it comes to LGBT issues justiceischeap Apr 2015 #104

It may be forever in the view of pundits Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #94

I don't know, how do you feel about Jimmy Carter? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #54

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And because he said it???? What? Makes it ok? Pres Carter won't get my vote rhett o rick Apr 2015 #66

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I am having trouble because you fail to tell us your point. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #71

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I'll never forget her 'dodging sniper fire' in Bosnia hopeforchange2008 Apr 2015 #73

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Sorry, even Jimmy Carter is wrong on occasion. Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #64

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The view that states had the right to prohbit Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #78

I remember that it was an early strategy of the LGBT community to win same-sex marriage rights okaawhatever Apr 2015 #10

You're conflating a strategy with a principle. They are not the same Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #82

What I do know, is that we CAN NOT trust any republican... ever. FarPoint Apr 2015 #12

Yah. She sure can fight the fight, being all over the place. darkangel218 Apr 2015 #15

She has been successfully besting them for over 20 years! FarPoint Apr 2015 #18

She will fight them Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #60

She will fight them harder than Obama has his entire term. FarPoint Apr 2015 #62

That is a very low bar Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #63

I am no HRC fan, but that is the one place I do trust her hifiguy Apr 2015 #77

The reason I don't trust her Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #81

I have to agree with you. Marr Apr 2015 #89

How many other potential Democratic candidates hold the same views? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #11

I specifically mentioned Senator Sanders as an example of a potential Democratic Zorra Apr 2015 #17

Sanders will not have the support of the Democratic Party as an Independent. FarPoint Apr 2015 #22

Sen Sanders has integrity. As far as handling the Republicons, Clinton rhett o rick Apr 2015 #57

Sanders is just too nice...he's a true good guy. FarPoint Apr 2015 #61

No. I was pointing out that anyone believing that Hillary's stance is unique is a strawman. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #36

Sorry I misunderstood. My apologies. Zorra Apr 2015 #47

No problem. My post is bit vague. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #49

Very good! H2O Man Apr 2015 #13

My belief is that our fundamental civil rights, as defined in the Constitution, are the foundation Maedhros Apr 2015 #20

we never really needed Habeas reddread Apr 2015 #69

I believe in womens rights, LGBTQ rights, racial equality. Maedhros Apr 2015 #74

stop making sense reddread Apr 2015 #75

It's as if we're entertaining a new concept of "equality" Maedhros Apr 2015 #83

the flip side of "just us" reddread Apr 2015 #84

"not applicable to aliens?" Maedhros Apr 2015 #88

brown, nearly brown, perceivably brown, and sympathetic to brown people reddread Apr 2015 #90

What has annoyed me is discovering that all the straight folks who have taken economic advantage Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #21

Good points. "Progressive" is often in the eye of the beholder... Zorra Apr 2015 #27

I have staight men telling me I don't care about jobs and health care when my entire life has Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #44

It's extremely important to all of us that we have an economy that helps all of us. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #59

That's what we've been telling you for my entire lifetime. And yet 29 States still allow Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #92

I think you are fighting the wrong person. "If you had a lick of sense" well I do have a little rhett o rick Apr 2015 #96

Make overturning Citizens United a litmus test for SC judges BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #24

Whomever you decide to support for president BainsBane Apr 2015 #25

Good points. And a great illustration of how widespread social movements that threaten Zorra Apr 2015 #32

That's a tough lift BainsBane Apr 2015 #86

sorry, this is going to piss a lot of you off: She's fine social issues- not awesome cali Apr 2015 #26

social and economic issues are inextricably linked... tk2kewl Apr 2015 #28

Yup. n/t progressoid Apr 2015 #108

do not tell me it does not matter, sit at back of bus, it is a minor issue and we will not have a seabeyond Apr 2015 #30

I have never ever remotely indicated to you that "it does not matter". nt Zorra Apr 2015 #38

does it have to be you? this is what the issue is. many dems that have problems with clinton. well, seabeyond Apr 2015 #40

With all due respect, that is either a person made exclusively of straw, or an extreme outlier. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #105

K. R 99Forever Apr 2015 #34

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #39

Economic issues ARE social issues FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #42

And they are the basic social issues of all. zeemike Apr 2015 #87

I don't trust HC in matters of War & Peace Martin Eden Apr 2015 #51

k&r PumpkinAle Apr 2015 #52

Seems all the Haters have simple choice Cryptoad Apr 2015 #53

No other viable candidate yet. /eom hopeforchange2008 Apr 2015 #76

"all the haters", are you like twelve or something? /nt Dragonfli Apr 2015 #106

Agree. It is that she is unapologetically Third Way. That is my issue. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #55

Not to mention her general hawkishness KamaAina Apr 2015 #68

I'm not interested in campaign promises for bbgrunt Apr 2015 #70

I like her a lot fredamae Apr 2015 #79

How many is "many"? brooklynite Apr 2015 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #91

Polling IS a snapshot...multiple polling is a motion picture brooklynite Apr 2015 #93

I have some problems with the OP. bvar22 Apr 2015 #99

All Democrats are expected to be good on equal rights for all human beings. But anyone who supports sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #101

K & R InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #103

FDR nailed that one! We are living it right this moment. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #107

Yes, she surely could be more progressive on economic issues! That said, ... ColesCountyDem Apr 2015 #109

the problem i have with this whole issue mopinko Apr 2015 #110

Yes, we need a movement, but those in government need to do what the movement wants at some point... cascadiance Apr 2015 #111