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In reply to the discussion: Yes, there's something HRC could do that would halt my opposition [View all]think
(11,641 posts)38. I would still be wary of HRC's the extremely close ties to Goldman Sachs & her hawkish war stance
1. Goldman Sachs bundled shitty mortgage investments and peddled them as AAA prime investments and then went on to bet against the shitty investments they sold their clients.
All this that helped lead to one of the largest financial disasters in American history. No one went to jail. Long time Democratic Senator Carl Levin called their action "deceitful and immoral". And one could point to numerous other GS scandals where no one went to jail.
The CEO of GS personally campaigned for Hillary, paid a few million dollars in speaking fees to Bill and Hillary which is cold hard income not donations, donates to her campaign and her foundation, & hires HRC's son in law to oversee his personal finances. Where else can Lloyd Blankfein stuff some money!?
Goldamnn Sachs meanwhile funded Romney, it's CEO and friend of the Clinton's won't even say if he voted for Obama, and appears to be planning to back Jeb Bush as well as Clinton for the 2016 presidential bid.
Why would we want someone in the White house that has this close of ties to a Wall Street bank that financially supports both parties in hopes of achieving corporate financial goals and has proven to be highly unworthy of the public trust?
2. The Iraq war vote wasn't a policy blunder. It was one of the most damaging foreign policy decisions in US history.
Regretting the vote doesn't show much other than admittance of doing the wrong thing and owning up to it. While this is much more honorable then Bush Cheney and GOP trying to legitimize a tragedy for humanity of epic proportions; it still begs one to question the wisdom and integrity of all of those politicians that went along with it.
America and the world will suffer for decades thanks to the flawed logic that lead the most powerful nation to pre emptively attack a middle eastern country that lead to wide spread destabilization in the region. The tragedy in regards of the loss of human life and other societal devastation is staggering.
But yet still Yes, I will probably vote for her if that's the best we can get because it would suck less than the unforgiving and unforgiven GOP neocon wing of the corporate party.
And yes, America goes for personality over substance and policy so I understand the great likelihood of that being the scenario.
Still why not push for candidates that actually give the American people a chance to learn and consider all the possible solutions to the problems facing our country.
One of the many reasons I supported President Obama very heavily was his talk of single payer healthcare. The fact that he negotiated away this discussion in private with leaders of the healthcare industry before it even got a chance to be heard by the American people was extremely disappointing.
Obama then many times negotiated with himself and taking more progressive stances off the table before negotiating with the tyrannical GOP which was also very disheartening.
The GOP NEVER negotiates without going for everything damn thing they want. Democrats that start with a negotiation in the middle and then excepting less just blows my mind.
With HRC as president I see the huge potential for a reincarnation of this self capitulation with the extreme neocon right ring in America.
America could and should do better.....
End rant/
All this that helped lead to one of the largest financial disasters in American history. No one went to jail. Long time Democratic Senator Carl Levin called their action "deceitful and immoral". And one could point to numerous other GS scandals where no one went to jail.
The CEO of GS personally campaigned for Hillary, paid a few million dollars in speaking fees to Bill and Hillary which is cold hard income not donations, donates to her campaign and her foundation, & hires HRC's son in law to oversee his personal finances. Where else can Lloyd Blankfein stuff some money!?
Goldamnn Sachs meanwhile funded Romney, it's CEO and friend of the Clinton's won't even say if he voted for Obama, and appears to be planning to back Jeb Bush as well as Clinton for the 2016 presidential bid.
Why would we want someone in the White house that has this close of ties to a Wall Street bank that financially supports both parties in hopes of achieving corporate financial goals and has proven to be highly unworthy of the public trust?
2. The Iraq war vote wasn't a policy blunder. It was one of the most damaging foreign policy decisions in US history.
Regretting the vote doesn't show much other than admittance of doing the wrong thing and owning up to it. While this is much more honorable then Bush Cheney and GOP trying to legitimize a tragedy for humanity of epic proportions; it still begs one to question the wisdom and integrity of all of those politicians that went along with it.
America and the world will suffer for decades thanks to the flawed logic that lead the most powerful nation to pre emptively attack a middle eastern country that lead to wide spread destabilization in the region. The tragedy in regards of the loss of human life and other societal devastation is staggering.
But yet still Yes, I will probably vote for her if that's the best we can get because it would suck less than the unforgiving and unforgiven GOP neocon wing of the corporate party.
And yes, America goes for personality over substance and policy so I understand the great likelihood of that being the scenario.
Still why not push for candidates that actually give the American people a chance to learn and consider all the possible solutions to the problems facing our country.
One of the many reasons I supported President Obama very heavily was his talk of single payer healthcare. The fact that he negotiated away this discussion in private with leaders of the healthcare industry before it even got a chance to be heard by the American people was extremely disappointing.
Obama then many times negotiated with himself and taking more progressive stances off the table before negotiating with the tyrannical GOP which was also very disheartening.
The GOP NEVER negotiates without going for everything damn thing they want. Democrats that start with a negotiation in the middle and then excepting less just blows my mind.
With HRC as president I see the huge potential for a reincarnation of this self capitulation with the extreme neocon right ring in America.
America could and should do better.....
End rant/
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That would be interesting. On Bloomberg this morning they reported her saying she would be
still_one
Apr 2015
#1
We don't know what the TPP is. Fast-track simply means that it gets an up-or-down vote.
DanTex
Apr 2015
#15
no shit sherlock. I've been posting about it for years- about what Trade Promotion
cali
Apr 2015
#19
OK, fair enough. Nothing wrong with that, either, parliamentary maneuvering is part of
DanTex
Apr 2015
#22
We were told if she separates herself from Obama she would be in deep doo doo
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#7
Did you or did you not say the other day that if Hillary is the nominee you will vote for her?
NoJusticeNoPeace
Apr 2015
#51
I would still be wary of HRC's the extremely close ties to Goldman Sachs & her hawkish war stance
think
Apr 2015
#38
I don't think you will ever get the final agreement in time to do anything about it. All we are
jwirr
Apr 2015
#44
After the race is over and she didn't go anywhere can you please donate some of it
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#32
I like this board but there are definitely better destinations for our friend's donation
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#29
She'll continue to carefully consider the TPP until the outcome is obvious...
raindaddy
Apr 2015
#45
I don't care about seemingly coming to Jesus on any single matter. The transformation would have to
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#54