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38. I would still be wary of HRC's the extremely close ties to Goldman Sachs & her hawkish war stance
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:37 AM
Apr 2015
1. Goldman Sachs bundled shitty mortgage investments and peddled them as AAA prime investments and then went on to bet against the shitty investments they sold their clients.

All this that helped lead to one of the largest financial disasters in American history. No one went to jail. Long time Democratic Senator Carl Levin called their action "deceitful and immoral". And one could point to numerous other GS scandals where no one went to jail.

The CEO of GS personally campaigned for Hillary, paid a few million dollars in speaking fees to Bill and Hillary which is cold hard income not donations, donates to her campaign and her foundation, & hires HRC's son in law to oversee his personal finances. Where else can Lloyd Blankfein stuff some money!?

Goldamnn Sachs meanwhile funded Romney, it's CEO and friend of the Clinton's won't even say if he voted for Obama, and appears to be planning to back Jeb Bush as well as Clinton for the 2016 presidential bid.

Why would we want someone in the White house that has this close of ties to a Wall Street bank that financially supports both parties in hopes of achieving corporate financial goals and has proven to be highly unworthy of the public trust?

2. The Iraq war vote wasn't a policy blunder. It was one of the most damaging foreign policy decisions in US history.

Regretting the vote doesn't show much other than admittance of doing the wrong thing and owning up to it. While this is much more honorable then Bush Cheney and GOP trying to legitimize a tragedy for humanity of epic proportions; it still begs one to question the wisdom and integrity of all of those politicians that went along with it.

America and the world will suffer for decades thanks to the flawed logic that lead the most powerful nation to pre emptively attack a middle eastern country that lead to wide spread destabilization in the region. The tragedy in regards of the loss of human life and other societal devastation is staggering.


But yet still Yes, I will probably vote for her if that's the best we can get because it would suck less than the unforgiving and unforgiven GOP neocon wing of the corporate party.

And yes, America goes for personality over substance and policy so I understand the great likelihood of that being the scenario.

Still why not push for candidates that actually give the American people a chance to learn and consider all the possible solutions to the problems facing our country.

One of the many reasons I supported President Obama very heavily was his talk of single payer healthcare. The fact that he negotiated away this discussion in private with leaders of the healthcare industry before it even got a chance to be heard by the American people was extremely disappointing.

Obama then many times negotiated with himself and taking more progressive stances off the table before negotiating with the tyrannical GOP which was also very disheartening.

The GOP NEVER negotiates without going for everything damn thing they want. Democrats that start with a negotiation in the middle and then excepting less just blows my mind.

With HRC as president I see the huge potential for a reincarnation of this self capitulation with the extreme neocon right ring in America.

America could and should do better.....

End rant/

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That would be interesting. On Bloomberg this morning they reported her saying she would be still_one Apr 2015 #1
she voted against it in 2002 cali Apr 2015 #2
we will know soon enough still_one Apr 2015 #3
Well, there's a difference between giving TPA to Bush and to Obama. DanTex Apr 2015 #8
actually, you're right. The TPP and TTIP are far worse cali Apr 2015 #11
We don't know what the TPP is. Fast-track simply means that it gets an up-or-down vote. DanTex Apr 2015 #15
no shit sherlock. I've been posting about it for years- about what Trade Promotion cali Apr 2015 #19
So, if I'm reading through the insults correctly... DanTex Apr 2015 #20
yes. and that is very widely known. cali Apr 2015 #21
OK, fair enough. Nothing wrong with that, either, parliamentary maneuvering is part of DanTex Apr 2015 #22
You know what? I doubt it. MineralMan Apr 2015 #4
We were told if she separates herself from Obama she would be in deep doo doo DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #7
You have my opinion, and that is all you have. MineralMan Apr 2015 #9
No fair being real life into an internet discussion! 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #34
I know. Terrible of me, isn't it? MineralMan Apr 2015 #40
I know, I'm funny that way to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #46
Your understanding of Fast Track is factually inaccurate. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #56
of course you do. which is ironic cali Apr 2015 #13
Whatever, cali. MineralMan Apr 2015 #16
Did you or did you not say the other day that if Hillary is the nominee you will vote for her? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #51
+1 ... True, very true. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #33
I would still be wary of HRC's the extremely close ties to Goldman Sachs & her hawkish war stance think Apr 2015 #38
Everyone will have to make his or her own MineralMan Apr 2015 #42
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #49
A Minnesotan ignoring the Unions? jwirr Apr 2015 #41
Who's ignoring the unions? MineralMan Apr 2015 #43
I don't think you will ever get the final agreement in time to do anything about it. All we are jwirr Apr 2015 #44
Here's the thing: MineralMan Apr 2015 #47
I don't understand the focus on 'fast track', which does not mean 'rush'. randome Apr 2015 #5
that's simply the colloquiallism for the TPA cali Apr 2015 #14
And if they don't like what they see, they can vote it down. MineralMan Apr 2015 #17
The 'idiots' I am thinking of are purely of the GOP variety. randome Apr 2015 #28
You beat me to this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #35
Fast track. Slow track. Oppose, or not. It won't matter. LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #55
For me, my one thing... Chan790 Apr 2015 #6
Since you have $500,000.00 in discretionary income DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #10
You have half a million dollars you can spare? MineralMan Apr 2015 #18
You should read my link. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #23
There are lots of worthy organizations, for sure. MineralMan Apr 2015 #24
Top 5% but not 1%. Chan790 Apr 2015 #27
After the race is over and she didn't go anywhere can you please donate some of it DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #32
$500,000? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #25
I like this board but there are definitely better destinations for our friend's donation DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #29
Well, how about ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #31
I think that would be a good start davidpdx Apr 2015 #12
It would be a start.... daleanime Apr 2015 #26
So called fast track legislation is the opposite of democracy. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #30
'Fast track' simply means 'vote'. It doesn't mean 'rush'. randome Apr 2015 #36
actually the tpa is much,much more detailed and issue oriented than cali Apr 2015 #37
And doesn't Congress have 60 days to read it (thanks to Wyden)? randome Apr 2015 #39
but the vote is to be an up or down vote guillaumeb Apr 2015 #50
She'll continue to carefully consider the TPP until the outcome is obvious... raindaddy Apr 2015 #45
Careful there dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #48
Just words from her.... sendero Apr 2015 #52
it'll take more than that, for me.... mike_c Apr 2015 #53
I don't care about seemingly coming to Jesus on any single matter. The transformation would have to TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #54
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