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bvar22

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118. ..but it is VERY smart to object to:

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:29 PM

Apr 2015

* The Secrecy

*The lock out of LABOR, Environmental Protection Advocates, and Human Rights Activists, and keep the "negotiations secret among the most power Global Corporations in the World.

*It is smart to strongly oppose "Fast Track".

Past IS Prelude. "Free Trade" has been devastating to America's Working/Middle Class.
I don't trust our "negotiators" to have the interests of the Working Class in their hearts;
their only worry is Corporate Profits.

Free Trade and the people support it have a horrible Track Record.
Thrice Burned = thrice shy. (NAFTA, CAFTA, Colombia/Panama/ Korean Agreement.)
NONE of the above helped the American Working CLass/Middle Class economically.
Why should we trust them now?

SO, YES!
I OPPOSE the TPP on the above grounds until the "Transparency President"
comes clean with the American People.

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"Hillary is playing progressives for fools: Why you shouldn�t believe her populist talk on trade" [View all] RiverLover Apr 2015 OP

I don't believe it for one second. Autumn Apr 2015 #1

You're no fool, Autumn! RiverLover Apr 2015 #3

Her Plan WillTwain Apr 2015 #106

Astute observations. That makes perfect sense. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #130

Yep. 840high Apr 2015 #133

she's not fooling me. nt antigop Apr 2015 #2

She is only playing Progressives for fools MissDeeds Apr 2015 #4

Yep. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #8

Make sure you cross-post this into the anti-Hillary group...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #5

I cross posted it in the Elizabeth Warren group for you. Autumn Apr 2015 #17

You're bad DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #18

This was alerted. Sending you results in PM... stevenleser Apr 2015 #19

Please send it to me as well... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #20

Thanks. 1-6 Leave... SidDithers Apr 2015 #21

I disagree with you most of the time, Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #57

Link to that Group. Third time I've asked, still no link. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96

Check your profile page...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #99

I am a member of 5 groups, all approved by the Admins. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #100

It's the one with the pinned "ReadyForSomeoneElse.org" thread muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #117

That group does not violate the TOS does it? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #125

Hold on a minute OKNancy Apr 2015 #6

Only when she launched her first presidential bid, in 2007, did she begin to argue that NAFTA �has RiverLover Apr 2015 #7

that's what he writes OKNancy Apr 2015 #16

What is she waiting to see? Granted a draft is not the final rhett o rick Apr 2015 #23

75% of Americans oppose the TPP. The next candidate planning sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #97

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #110

..but it is VERY smart to object to: bvar22 Apr 2015 #118

No. It is NOT smart to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #120

I believe in transparent government OF THE PEOPLE. bvar22 Apr 2015 #121

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #122

How is she playing them for fools when they are out there treestar Apr 2015 #9

I agree that the OP subject is wrong. It should say "Hillary is trying to play progressives rhett o rick Apr 2015 #25

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #112

What exactly is her "populist message"? Maybe that she thinks that all Americans should rhett o rick Apr 2015 #114

You know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #119

+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #48

She is playing the conservadems for fools. Many of them think she's liberal Doctor_J Apr 2015 #132

K/R marmar Apr 2015 #10

you know there's a new book out on the clintons being pushed by one of breitbart's "journalists" Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #11

Gee. TPP doesn't sound like it's something a Democrat would support. Octafish Apr 2015 #12

This is HRC's history. 99Forever Apr 2015 #13

Trade with Canada and Mexico is 75% of the TPP. NAFTA is being 'renegotiated'. pampango Apr 2015 #14

Then vote for someone else if you don't like Hillary, what's the big deal? still_one Apr 2015 #15

Purity. Some folks demand it. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #42

Yes, the folks that demand we vote for Hillary LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #91

i doubt anyone is being fooled. it is articles like this. that must call others fools, seabeyond Apr 2015 #22

I think the author is speaking to HRC's poll numbers. Lots of low info voters out there are RiverLover Apr 2015 #27

"Hillary is playing progressives for fools" that was written to insult. i am not fooled.... seabeyond Apr 2015 #37

I'm sorry. RiverLover Apr 2015 #41

it absolutely was your intent to insult clinton supporters, and this "apology" is also seabeyond Apr 2015 #43

look. this is simple. you want me to read an article. do not start by stating, seabeyond Apr 2015 #46

You are confused. I didn't write the article. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #50

no. i am not confused. i never stated you wrote the article. you also did not address what i said. seabeyond Apr 2015 #85

Even the author of the article ISNT calling progressives "fools", only that HRC is playing us for RiverLover Apr 2015 #93

i think it is pretty obvious that i believe there is a difference us being played, and those that seabeyond Apr 2015 #102

Many low info voters out there. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #87

Why is someone who disagrees with you low information? Agschmid Apr 2015 #95

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #24

At this point in the game..... daleanime Apr 2015 #26

Any article that claims to 'delve' into Hillary's record on trade agreements which mentions NAFTA Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #28

They never mention Al Gore was waving a pom-pom in each hand when he was cheer-leading NAFTA. nt Snotcicles Apr 2015 #39

NAFTA, both Parties supported NAFTA, it was negotiated and signed by George Bush and did not Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #81

Labor gets the shaft every time. They say one thing going in, well you know the rest. nt Snotcicles Apr 2015 #90

When Hillary said, PatrickforO Apr 2015 #29

Yeah, this looks like the gold standard to King Midas Dubya Bush! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #98

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #30

Thank you H20 Man. RiverLover Apr 2015 #31

Republicans must surely love articles like this. DCBob Apr 2015 #32

BBI! Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #36

You know in any political race there are as a rule two people or more running. Autumn Apr 2015 #44

There is no credible challenger to Hillary at this point. DCBob Apr 2015 #52

That doesn't mean there won't be. Trash the thread if these articles bother you. The rest of Autumn Apr 2015 #54

The basic substance of the article doesn't bother me so much as the tone. DCBob Apr 2015 #56

You don't like the tone, trash it. Autumn Apr 2015 #60

You may think this is absurd, but I actually think Hillary will shift left once elected. DCBob Apr 2015 #65

I don't think it's absurd at all. If you believe that I think it's great Autumn Apr 2015 #71

So...we have a candidate who's strength is her long track record jeff47 Apr 2015 #49

Nothing is "off limits" but... DCBob Apr 2015 #53

So it is off limits. jeff47 Apr 2015 #59

You have no idea what disasters await us if a Republican takes the WH. DCBob Apr 2015 #63

Thanks for calling me an idiot. That'll surely convince me to change my position. jeff47 Apr 2015 #69

I didnt call you an idiot. DCBob Apr 2015 #72

Claiming I do not know what Republicans want is calling me an idiot. jeff47 Apr 2015 #89

No its not. DCBob Apr 2015 #123

So, couldn't come up with a non-idiot explanation, huh? jeff47 Apr 2015 #131

You are trying really hard to earn that label. DCBob Apr 2015 #135

Woot! haikugal Apr 2015 #109

You missed the mark Oilwellian Apr 2015 #88

I dont know anything about third wayers but I would not trash any Democrat running for President.. DCBob Apr 2015 #126

When neoliberals refer to a 'level playing field', they mean Marr Apr 2015 #33

Someone here expresses that point all the time. Two people, actually. djean111 Apr 2015 #66

Third-Way always plays progressives for fools, oh...and NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #34

in 1994 Hillary went all out to get universal health care - she got beat up very bad samsingh Apr 2015 #35

Me too. It isn't even close. cheapdate Apr 2015 #38

Universal health care? Care to provide some proof? n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #58

from wikeapedia (i'm assuming you're asking seriously) samsingh Apr 2015 #83

My mistake, sorry. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #108

she got hammered and the repugs lied about everything samsingh Apr 2015 #116

Her community based health plan was quite good too. Hoyt Apr 2015 #62

I agree. What is interesting about all these down with Hillary threads is they don't still_one Apr 2015 #77

exactly, they just take down one of our own samsingh Apr 2015 #84

Hillary is shuckin n jivin tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #40

There are many educated, successful people capable of being our president & representing all RiverLover Apr 2015 #47

Them there smart people tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #64

Anti-intellectualism is off-putting. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #79

So does most of uneducated America. Phlem Apr 2015 #103

+ 1000 donnasgirl Apr 2015 #76

Deliberate Deception . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #45

I will give her credit for the things I have always expected her to support: Social Security, jwirr Apr 2015 #51

Funny HRC is the most Progessive Viable Candidate In the Race Cryptoad Apr 2015 #55

+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #67

she's also the most conservative candidate cali Apr 2015 #105

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #61

I do not believe Hillary is still making up her mind about the TPP. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #68

'Not Hillary' is winning the hearts and minds of his/her supporters. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #70

Wasn't it enough to fall for Clinton I and Obama - doing it again... polichick Apr 2015 #73

^^Exactly! RiverLover Apr 2015 #75

I hope we get at least one hundred posts similar to this every day until the convention. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #74

Nobody invested in the markets is "making up their mind about TPP" raouldukelives Apr 2015 #78

Still voting for her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #80

Why do you think this article fails to discuss her Senate record, which includes voting against both Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #82

Not quite. RiverLover Apr 2015 #86

Tell your pal cali that that link goes to a different article, and my comment was that this article Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #115

Yes, back when Bush was pushing the same thing, Democrats sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #107

My point, which you sailed past I am sure out of great respect, is that this article purports to Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #113

The point didn't sail past me. I asked you why you think sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #128

Salon is a discredited RW rag Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #92

ha! Good one. They're just progressive. RiverLover Apr 2015 #94

!!! Phlem Apr 2015 #101

LOL !!! - You're On Fire Today !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #124

With Hillary you get Bill, with Scott Walker you get the Koch Brothers... NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #104

Two points - Vinca Apr 2015 #111

Now is the time to fix that and if folks insist on not doing the needed fixing then 2020 TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #129

I disagree. My vote is to keep the country from the evil the GOP is capable of doing if elected. Vinca Apr 2015 #134

Nope, I voted for Gore though in hindsight I regret it because he didn't get inaugurated anyway TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #136

To take a position on the TPP, doesn't she really have to admit that either she's blindly supporting hughee99 Apr 2015 #127