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mike_c

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53. it'll take more than that, for me....

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:45 PM

Apr 2015

My central objection to Clinton is her vote in favor of invading Iraq. That invasion was a deliberate crime against humanity, for no good reason at all. I have lots of other differences with Clinton-- I don't like her close ties to Wall Street, I don't like her support for the Patriot Act, I don't like her tacit support for the TPP-- but I think her IWR vote demonstrates that she is unfit for high public office.

She will have to do something to undo the effects of her vote to regain my support. She cannot breathe life back into the million or so Iraqis killed as a result of her political cravenness and she cannot restore Iraq. She cannot undo any of the damage she helped heap upon the region.

But she can pledge to pursue and prosecute the war criminals responsible, and she can admit her own culpability for crimes against humanity and join them in the dock. She can face the ICC along with Cheney, Dubya, Rice, Powell, and all the minions who helped them, and if she's exonerated, or when she finishes her punishment, I will reconsider my opposition, and might even become a supporter. Let's see whether she has character, or just boundless greedy ambition.

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Yes, there's something HRC could do that would halt my opposition [View all] cali Apr 2015 OP

That would be interesting. On Bloomberg this morning they reported her saying she would be still_one Apr 2015 #1

she voted against it in 2002 cali Apr 2015 #2

we will know soon enough still_one Apr 2015 #3

Well, there's a difference between giving TPA to Bush and to Obama. DanTex Apr 2015 #8

actually, you're right. The TPP and TTIP are far worse cali Apr 2015 #11

We don't know what the TPP is. Fast-track simply means that it gets an up-or-down vote. DanTex Apr 2015 #15

no shit sherlock. I've been posting about it for years- about what Trade Promotion cali Apr 2015 #19

So, if I'm reading through the insults correctly... DanTex Apr 2015 #20

yes. and that is very widely known. cali Apr 2015 #21

OK, fair enough. Nothing wrong with that, either, parliamentary maneuvering is part of DanTex Apr 2015 #22

You know what? I doubt it. MineralMan Apr 2015 #4

We were told if she separates herself from Obama she would be in deep doo doo DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #7

You have my opinion, and that is all you have. MineralMan Apr 2015 #9

No fair being real life into an internet discussion! 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #34

I know. Terrible of me, isn't it? MineralMan Apr 2015 #40

I know, I'm funny that way to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #46

Your understanding of Fast Track is factually inaccurate. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #56

of course you do. which is ironic cali Apr 2015 #13

Whatever, cali. MineralMan Apr 2015 #16

Did you or did you not say the other day that if Hillary is the nominee you will vote for her? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #51

+1 ... True, very true. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #33

I would still be wary of HRC's the extremely close ties to Goldman Sachs & her hawkish war stance think Apr 2015 #38

Everyone will have to make his or her own MineralMan Apr 2015 #42

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #49

A Minnesotan ignoring the Unions? jwirr Apr 2015 #41

Who's ignoring the unions? MineralMan Apr 2015 #43

I don't think you will ever get the final agreement in time to do anything about it. All we are jwirr Apr 2015 #44

Here's the thing: MineralMan Apr 2015 #47

I don't understand the focus on 'fast track', which does not mean 'rush'. randome Apr 2015 #5

that's simply the colloquiallism for the TPA cali Apr 2015 #14

And if they don't like what they see, they can vote it down. MineralMan Apr 2015 #17

The 'idiots' I am thinking of are purely of the GOP variety. randome Apr 2015 #28

You beat me to this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #35

Fast track. Slow track. Oppose, or not. It won't matter. LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #55

For me, my one thing... Chan790 Apr 2015 #6

Since you have $500,000.00 in discretionary income DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #10

You have half a million dollars you can spare? MineralMan Apr 2015 #18

You should read my link. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #23

There are lots of worthy organizations, for sure. MineralMan Apr 2015 #24

Top 5% but not 1%. Chan790 Apr 2015 #27

After the race is over and she didn't go anywhere can you please donate some of it DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #32

$500,000? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #25

I like this board but there are definitely better destinations for our friend's donation DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #29

Well, how about ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #31

I think that would be a good start davidpdx Apr 2015 #12

It would be a start.... daleanime Apr 2015 #26

So called fast track legislation is the opposite of democracy. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #30

'Fast track' simply means 'vote'. It doesn't mean 'rush'. randome Apr 2015 #36

actually the tpa is much,much more detailed and issue oriented than cali Apr 2015 #37

And doesn't Congress have 60 days to read it (thanks to Wyden)? randome Apr 2015 #39

but the vote is to be an up or down vote guillaumeb Apr 2015 #50

She'll continue to carefully consider the TPP until the outcome is obvious... raindaddy Apr 2015 #45

Careful there dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #48

Just words from her.... sendero Apr 2015 #52

it'll take more than that, for me.... mike_c Apr 2015 #53

I don't care about seemingly coming to Jesus on any single matter. The transformation would have to TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #54