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128. The point didn't sail past me. I asked you why you think

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:06 PM

Apr 2015

that Democrats who opposed Fast Tracking of a Trade Bill, (including Hillary) under Bush, are either 'waiting to see what happens' now, or FOR it.

What is different about the issue of giving up Congress' role of negotiating Trade Agreements NOW and THEN?

Seems to me the reaction should be identical. Congress should never give up its power to the executive branch.

I think you are missing the central issue here. It isn't the TPP itself, it is the Roleand Power of Congress as Reps of the people being handed to the Executive so that one individual has all the power of the government to make deals without any interference or input from Congress.

It isn't even about individual politicians. It is about our system of Checks and Balances no matter who is in power.

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"Hillary is playing progressives for fools: Why you shouldn�t believe her populist talk on trade" [View all] RiverLover Apr 2015 OP

I don't believe it for one second. Autumn Apr 2015 #1

You're no fool, Autumn! RiverLover Apr 2015 #3

Her Plan WillTwain Apr 2015 #106

Astute observations. That makes perfect sense. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #130

Yep. 840high Apr 2015 #133

she's not fooling me. nt antigop Apr 2015 #2

She is only playing Progressives for fools MissDeeds Apr 2015 #4

Yep. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #8

Make sure you cross-post this into the anti-Hillary group...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #5

I cross posted it in the Elizabeth Warren group for you. Autumn Apr 2015 #17

You're bad DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #18

This was alerted. Sending you results in PM... stevenleser Apr 2015 #19

Please send it to me as well... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #20

Thanks. 1-6 Leave... SidDithers Apr 2015 #21

I disagree with you most of the time, Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #57

Link to that Group. Third time I've asked, still no link. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96

Check your profile page...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #99

I am a member of 5 groups, all approved by the Admins. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #100

It's the one with the pinned "ReadyForSomeoneElse.org" thread muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #117

That group does not violate the TOS does it? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #125

Hold on a minute OKNancy Apr 2015 #6

Only when she launched her first presidential bid, in 2007, did she begin to argue that NAFTA �has RiverLover Apr 2015 #7

that's what he writes OKNancy Apr 2015 #16

What is she waiting to see? Granted a draft is not the final rhett o rick Apr 2015 #23

75% of Americans oppose the TPP. The next candidate planning sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #97

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #110

..but it is VERY smart to object to: bvar22 Apr 2015 #118

No. It is NOT smart to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #120

I believe in transparent government OF THE PEOPLE. bvar22 Apr 2015 #121

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #122

How is she playing them for fools when they are out there treestar Apr 2015 #9

I agree that the OP subject is wrong. It should say "Hillary is trying to play progressives rhett o rick Apr 2015 #25

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #112

What exactly is her "populist message"? Maybe that she thinks that all Americans should rhett o rick Apr 2015 #114

You know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #119

+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #48

She is playing the conservadems for fools. Many of them think she's liberal Doctor_J Apr 2015 #132

K/R marmar Apr 2015 #10

you know there's a new book out on the clintons being pushed by one of breitbart's "journalists" Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #11

Gee. TPP doesn't sound like it's something a Democrat would support. Octafish Apr 2015 #12

This is HRC's history. 99Forever Apr 2015 #13

Trade with Canada and Mexico is 75% of the TPP. NAFTA is being 'renegotiated'. pampango Apr 2015 #14

Then vote for someone else if you don't like Hillary, what's the big deal? still_one Apr 2015 #15

Purity. Some folks demand it. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #42

Yes, the folks that demand we vote for Hillary LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #91

i doubt anyone is being fooled. it is articles like this. that must call others fools, seabeyond Apr 2015 #22

I think the author is speaking to HRC's poll numbers. Lots of low info voters out there are RiverLover Apr 2015 #27

"Hillary is playing progressives for fools" that was written to insult. i am not fooled.... seabeyond Apr 2015 #37

I'm sorry. RiverLover Apr 2015 #41

it absolutely was your intent to insult clinton supporters, and this "apology" is also seabeyond Apr 2015 #43

look. this is simple. you want me to read an article. do not start by stating, seabeyond Apr 2015 #46

You are confused. I didn't write the article. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #50

no. i am not confused. i never stated you wrote the article. you also did not address what i said. seabeyond Apr 2015 #85

Even the author of the article ISNT calling progressives "fools", only that HRC is playing us for RiverLover Apr 2015 #93

i think it is pretty obvious that i believe there is a difference us being played, and those that seabeyond Apr 2015 #102

Many low info voters out there. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #87

Why is someone who disagrees with you low information? Agschmid Apr 2015 #95

K & R AzDar Apr 2015 #24

At this point in the game..... daleanime Apr 2015 #26

Any article that claims to 'delve' into Hillary's record on trade agreements which mentions NAFTA Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #28

They never mention Al Gore was waving a pom-pom in each hand when he was cheer-leading NAFTA. nt Snotcicles Apr 2015 #39

NAFTA, both Parties supported NAFTA, it was negotiated and signed by George Bush and did not Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #81

Labor gets the shaft every time. They say one thing going in, well you know the rest. nt Snotcicles Apr 2015 #90

When Hillary said, PatrickforO Apr 2015 #29

Yeah, this looks like the gold standard to King Midas Dubya Bush! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #98

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #30

Thank you H20 Man. RiverLover Apr 2015 #31

Republicans must surely love articles like this. DCBob Apr 2015 #32

BBI! Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #36

You know in any political race there are as a rule two people or more running. Autumn Apr 2015 #44

There is no credible challenger to Hillary at this point. DCBob Apr 2015 #52

That doesn't mean there won't be. Trash the thread if these articles bother you. The rest of Autumn Apr 2015 #54

The basic substance of the article doesn't bother me so much as the tone. DCBob Apr 2015 #56

You don't like the tone, trash it. Autumn Apr 2015 #60

You may think this is absurd, but I actually think Hillary will shift left once elected. DCBob Apr 2015 #65

I don't think it's absurd at all. If you believe that I think it's great Autumn Apr 2015 #71

So...we have a candidate who's strength is her long track record jeff47 Apr 2015 #49

Nothing is "off limits" but... DCBob Apr 2015 #53

So it is off limits. jeff47 Apr 2015 #59

You have no idea what disasters await us if a Republican takes the WH. DCBob Apr 2015 #63

Thanks for calling me an idiot. That'll surely convince me to change my position. jeff47 Apr 2015 #69

I didnt call you an idiot. DCBob Apr 2015 #72

Claiming I do not know what Republicans want is calling me an idiot. jeff47 Apr 2015 #89

No its not. DCBob Apr 2015 #123

So, couldn't come up with a non-idiot explanation, huh? jeff47 Apr 2015 #131

You are trying really hard to earn that label. DCBob Apr 2015 #135

Woot! haikugal Apr 2015 #109

You missed the mark Oilwellian Apr 2015 #88

I dont know anything about third wayers but I would not trash any Democrat running for President.. DCBob Apr 2015 #126

When neoliberals refer to a 'level playing field', they mean Marr Apr 2015 #33

Someone here expresses that point all the time. Two people, actually. djean111 Apr 2015 #66

Third-Way always plays progressives for fools, oh...and NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #34

in 1994 Hillary went all out to get universal health care - she got beat up very bad samsingh Apr 2015 #35

Me too. It isn't even close. cheapdate Apr 2015 #38

Universal health care? Care to provide some proof? n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #58

from wikeapedia (i'm assuming you're asking seriously) samsingh Apr 2015 #83

My mistake, sorry. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #108

she got hammered and the repugs lied about everything samsingh Apr 2015 #116

Her community based health plan was quite good too. Hoyt Apr 2015 #62

I agree. What is interesting about all these down with Hillary threads is they don't still_one Apr 2015 #77

exactly, they just take down one of our own samsingh Apr 2015 #84

Hillary is shuckin n jivin tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #40

There are many educated, successful people capable of being our president & representing all RiverLover Apr 2015 #47

Them there smart people tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #64

Anti-intellectualism is off-putting. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #79

So does most of uneducated America. Phlem Apr 2015 #103

+ 1000 donnasgirl Apr 2015 #76

Deliberate Deception . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #45

I will give her credit for the things I have always expected her to support: Social Security, jwirr Apr 2015 #51

Funny HRC is the most Progessive Viable Candidate In the Race Cryptoad Apr 2015 #55

+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #67

she's also the most conservative candidate cali Apr 2015 #105

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #61

I do not believe Hillary is still making up her mind about the TPP. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #68

'Not Hillary' is winning the hearts and minds of his/her supporters. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #70

Wasn't it enough to fall for Clinton I and Obama - doing it again... polichick Apr 2015 #73

^^Exactly! RiverLover Apr 2015 #75

I hope we get at least one hundred posts similar to this every day until the convention. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #74

Nobody invested in the markets is "making up their mind about TPP" raouldukelives Apr 2015 #78

Still voting for her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #80

Why do you think this article fails to discuss her Senate record, which includes voting against both Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #82

Not quite. RiverLover Apr 2015 #86

Tell your pal cali that that link goes to a different article, and my comment was that this article Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #115

Yes, back when Bush was pushing the same thing, Democrats sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #107

My point, which you sailed past I am sure out of great respect, is that this article purports to Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #113

The point didn't sail past me. I asked you why you think sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #128

Salon is a discredited RW rag Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #92

ha! Good one. They're just progressive. RiverLover Apr 2015 #94

!!! Phlem Apr 2015 #101

LOL !!! - You're On Fire Today !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #124

With Hillary you get Bill, with Scott Walker you get the Koch Brothers... NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #104

Two points - Vinca Apr 2015 #111

Now is the time to fix that and if folks insist on not doing the needed fixing then 2020 TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #129

I disagree. My vote is to keep the country from the evil the GOP is capable of doing if elected. Vinca Apr 2015 #134

Nope, I voted for Gore though in hindsight I regret it because he didn't get inaugurated anyway TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #136

To take a position on the TPP, doesn't she really have to admit that either she's blindly supporting hughee99 Apr 2015 #127