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2. Bill Clinton never supported DOMA. The republicans

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:38 PM

Apr 2015

passed it and they had a veto-proof majority. If he vetoed it, it would just be overridden and he feared it would energize republicans and stir up their base enough to get a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. He did the best he could in a very bad situation. It's just so disingenuous to blame Bill Clinton for DOMA, and yet I see otherwise sensible liberals doing it all the time. It's like blaming Obama for the government shutdown. I'm so tired of seeing democrats blamed for republican actions.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell is also turned on its head and used against Bill Clinton. DADT was an IMPROVEMENT for gays and lesbians serving in the military. Before it was enacted, you were openly asked whether you were homosexual, and you had to answer. If you said you were, you would be thrown out. DADT was a way of allowing gays/lesbians to serve. DADT has a very complex political history in how it came to be, and it stems from Bill Clinton trying to change the law to allow gays/lesbians to serve openly in the military. And just like DOMA, I guess it's easier to bash Clinton in the head with it then find out the facts. What a joke.

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Burying Bill - Clinton that is... [View all] Agschmid Apr 2015 OP

There are several insurmountable obstacles and Bill is just one of them. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1

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Maybe it's best to let people speak for themselves. I'm one of those who supported Obama and I won't sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #16

The first best advice to a job applicant: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #68

Would love to see that, but we know that's never gonna happen. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #100

Stellar advice Sabrina davidpdx Apr 2015 #135

Unanimous jury vote to leave NYC's post merrily Apr 2015 #21

Censorship is un-Democratic Octafish Apr 2015 #46

Well put Octa davidpdx Apr 2015 #136

The purge is on. n/t 99Forever Apr 2015 #137

Alert stalking and attempts to stop opposition, yes. Whether it becomes a purge depends on merrily Apr 2015 #150

I don't kid myself. 99Forever Apr 2015 #158

I don't kid myself on this issue, either. merrily Apr 2015 #176

She has a following greater than any other candidate's. pnwmom Apr 2015 #29

Well of course she's more popular with them. She's white. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #55

Nice to see others disagree with skip on this one. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #60

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #99

You're bragging that she supposedly captured the whites who left the Dem Party over Obama? merrily Apr 2015 #122

Really she has? davidpdx Apr 2015 #138

As opposed to people who are basing their opinions on their opinions. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #174

Since she hasn't decided how she wants to define herself all we can go on is her past record davidpdx Apr 2015 #175

When I was a kid growing up in exurban Florida I loved "rasslin" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #50

I like rasslin, too! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #56

Just so's ya know, you leave this board Autumn Apr 2015 #93

! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #94

Yeah, we might need it Autumn Apr 2015 #95

You can have their Clenis when you pry it from their cold, dead hands. n/t Orsino Apr 2015 #181

Bill Clinton never supported DOMA. The republicans BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #2

Tell me more. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #3

Ken Starr? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #4

Pretty damn disgusting crap for a Democratic board. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #6

It certainly happened, but what an odd way to bring it up? Agschmid Apr 2015 #7

I know, I can't believe people give him a break on so many things and that one thing especially. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8

I don't think he was given "a break"... Agschmid Apr 2015 #10

No, not given a break. I refer to his fans who may want to underplay the significance of it. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #11

Phony puritanical nonsense AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #14

Someone should point out their affair started when she showed him her thong... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #51

Would you say that about a CEO who had sex with his intern? former9thward Apr 2015 #54

If they both want to AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #96

Well the EEOC has a different opinion. former9thward Apr 2015 #110

No, it isn't. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #130

No it isn't AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #164

"She pressured him" former9thward Apr 2015 #178

"Adults have sex. You may not approve, but it happens every day." Until you're the victim. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #61

She instigated it AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #97

"She instigated it" That's classic blame the victim ya got right there. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #101

She instigated all of it AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #104

Not what she admitted. merrily Apr 2015 #120

Not when she was an adult at the time of sound mind, and she actually DID instigate it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #124

Maybe... RobinA Apr 2015 #153

Right you are. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #28

I wish I was a mind reader safeinOhio Apr 2015 #32

Your smugness is unbelievable, its like a parody sometimes. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #39

Creative Fristian-style diagnoses... LanternWaste Apr 2015 #47

Tell us about the xmas card list AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #13

You know, Larry Flynt catches a lot of shit from some people around here... Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #24

Does he? I haven't seen any posts here condemning Flynt for his stand on the impeachment. merrily Apr 2015 #26

There hasn't really been a ton of discussion of the Clinton impeachment in general here Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #38

If you missed it, why did you post that he catches a lot of shit here? merrily Apr 2015 #139

I was talking about Larry Flynt. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #144

So was I. I haven't seen Flynt catch a lot of shit here. merrily Apr 2015 #145

You've been here since 2012, huh? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #148

Jail? They were both adults. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #22

But only one of them was an employer and only one of them committed perjury on national TV,, being merrily Apr 2015 #27

But, only one person forgave him. safeinOhio Apr 2015 #33

"Christian" is not the word I would have chosen. merrily Apr 2015 #121

I was thinking, in a Betty Bowers way. safeinOhio Apr 2015 #152

I suspected. merrily Apr 2015 #154

Okay, first off, he didn't "commit perjury on national tv". He lied on national tv, which is not the Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35

Perjury is a jury question. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #53

There was no perjury. That was a Right Wing Noise Machine claim. The judge dismissed that case on sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #71

I agree...This is like re-litigating the O J case again and again./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #72

That is why I used the phrase "arguments were made"..etc Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #74

Not one, but two courts held he lied under oath. merrily Apr 2015 #126

He did commit perjury on national TV. His testimony, under oath, was televised. merrily Apr 2015 #112

That's not the same thing. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #113

He committed perjury. That is what he was impeached for, perjury. What are you quibbling about? merrily Apr 2015 #115

The House of Representatives is not a court of law. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #118

He was also disbarred for lying under oath and that did involve a court proceeding. merrily Apr 2015 #119

Whatever. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #123

Perjury by a sitting POTUS is not a "whatever" for me. merrily Apr 2015 #127

Which was an excuse for an extended fishing expedition. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #128

Regardless, no one forced him to lie under oath. Paula Jones did not consent to anything. merrily Apr 2015 #129

Right, and she was pretty clearly manipulated from the get-go by right wingers with an agenda. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #132

How does that negate that he, a lawyer and sitting POTUS, chose perjury? merrily Apr 2015 #133

If she was a pawn or manipulated, I think it throws her claims into question, don't you? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #146

What does that have to do with the court? merrily Apr 2015 #149

... Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #183

America wasn't fooled by the phony puritanism 'impeachment' AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #98

Not sure any actual humping was involved. merrily Apr 2015 #116

It is a generic term for sexual activity AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #161

Not really. It's pretty specific. And, in this case, probably preferable to what occurred. merrily Apr 2015 #163

My Republican brother takes everything literally AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #167

Awww, aren't you just adorable? merrily Apr 2015 #168

And neither on of them... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #105

This. Agschmid Apr 2015 #107

Thank you awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #109

No one said they were. merrily Apr 2015 #114

Are you new here? Do you not have a clue about sexual harassment in the workplace? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #64

Did Monica Lewinsky ever allege that it was sexual harassment? No, sir, she did not. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #75

Harassment does not require allegations NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #78

Hostile workplace to other employees. Consentual or not, it's harassment. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #80

If Ken Starr had had a case for that, he would have pursued it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #82

Lewinsky did get favorable treatment marshall Apr 2015 #142

Well said. And the impacts of these affairs is felt by coworkers in that hostile workplace. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #173

"If anyone else does it, we want them in jail but if Bill does it, no problemo? " NCTraveler Apr 2015 #63

I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO EVER HAD ORAL SEX OUTSIDE THE SANCTITY OF A CHRIST-CENTRIC MARRIAGE Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #88

Post o' the Day!!! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #9

Yeah, ole Bill! Such a good old boy! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #12

He is charming. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #15

"And those who have nothing of substance to say" AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #19

By all accounts, Nixon never cheated on Pat. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #36

Actually DURHAM D Apr 2015 #40

Right. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #43

this post should be hidden JI7 Apr 2015 #70

Why, if it's historically accurate? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #87

Teddy White who covered every election from 48 to 84 said... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #58

Truman is a fascinating figure. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #76

Isn't there a joke about Bess burning all his love letters? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #79

If so, I've never heard it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #84

Which doesn't mean he knew of infidelity in every other instance. merrily Apr 2015 #147

Of course DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #156

Actually, it isn't. merrily Apr 2015 #157

Google an individual president's name and affair and make up your own mind. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #162

What makes you think I haven't made up my own mind? merrily Apr 2015 #165

And he loved dogs. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #106

Perhaps, just a LITTLE TOO MUCH Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #111

I'll say this: If all the pro-Hillary people have to run on are empty platitudes and "inevitability" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #37

I Know a woman who met him at a 96 fund raiser DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #57

I know, some of us just have that gift. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #86

Thank you! Thank You! AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #18

Ha ha! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #20

Yeah no kidding LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #67

He did not have to sign it. He did not disavow it, either, until the Obama administration. merrily Apr 2015 #17

Absolutely spot on, thank you a million times over. closeupready Apr 2015 #52

You're most welcome. merrily Apr 2015 #117

Thank you for clarifying this matter. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #69

DOMA is a legitimate criticism of Bill Clinton. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #89

But why do the Republicans hate him? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #91

They bagged a majority in the house of representatives because of redistricting & political reality. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #92

He's a Democrat. They're Republicans. It's part of the game. merrily Apr 2015 #134

Thank you for the needed history lesson -- too many people seem to have forgotten that context pnwmom Apr 2015 #30

Also, marriage equality was not the focus of DURHAM D Apr 2015 #41

Somewhat true, & though I detest BC's GLBT record, closeupready Apr 2015 #177

He took out ads on small market Christian radi stations CanadaexPat Apr 2015 #34

Yes DURHAM D Apr 2015 #42

That election gave us some good jokes. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #44

He not only supported DOMA but bragged about it in radio ads in his reelection campaign. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #103

Certainly, the pro-drug war shit has got to go. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #23

lol, Hillary doesn't give clear answers on anything until it's thoroughly poll tested. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #102

Hillary runs to the right of Obama, and LOSES. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #25

Whoever wrote this.. sendero Apr 2015 #31

I thought he was brilliant at making up facts, sans citation. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #45

That was then and this is now. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #48

Like Al Gore did? No she shouldn't... Clinton was a good president, the two Bush's were horrible... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #49

Clinton was just a "fair" president. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #59

No he was not, all inclusive with progressive legislation he was good... not FDR not JFK but good... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #65

Telecommunications Act, Repeal of Glass Steagall, ending "welfare as we know it" NAFTA, DOMA, DADT. merrily Apr 2015 #155

Good /= perfect, and overall is whole picture not 5% out 95% uponit7771 Apr 2015 #191

Bill Clinton was personally responsible for the SUV? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #85

Yes, he was. His failure to utter so much as a peep about it proves it. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #171

Your post is funny. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #185

What do those lines actually mean? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #125

Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards hold auto industry to fuel average fuel economy stds NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #170

Hmmm, actually reading that, I'm not sure I was calling my truck by the right name. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #172

Hillary is very smart. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #62

I can't believe this thread. The point of the whole OP was that Hillary would do well to turn her jwirr Apr 2015 #66

I'm amazed that some people here are still flogging the clenis outrage Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #77

Clinton created a hostile workplace environment and would have lost his job in the private sector... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #81

No, I don't "need to read up on" anything, prof. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #83

He isn't the only President in history to have had affairs justiceischeap Apr 2015 #90

Who says we don't have the same feeling about their infidelities? merrily Apr 2015 #159

They're just as relevant as Clinton's affair justiceischeap Apr 2015 #160

That is clearly not true. merrily Apr 2015 #166

How is it clearly not true? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #169

It's clearly not true that FDR's affair is just as relevant to Hillary's run as Bill's affair. merrily Apr 2015 #179

The point of the matter, no one should give two shits about Bill's affair justiceischeap Apr 2015 #180

That's one view. merrily Apr 2015 #182

Only if Monica had filed a complaint BainsBane Apr 2015 #184

Right, why bother to talk to me directly, when you can find out everything I think from YOU! Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #186

I'm so over that shit, Warren BainsBane Apr 2015 #187

Well, then why do you drop into random threads to ascribe shit to me that I've never said? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #188

I think maybe I'll try it some time. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #190

I feel you... didn't go the way I thought it would. Agschmid Apr 2015 #108

Well put davidpdx Apr 2015 #143

I see Bill Clinton as an asset to a Hillary Clinton Presidency liberal N proud Apr 2015 #131

I do, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #189

The article is delusional AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #140

Good, bad, or indifferent. 99Forever Apr 2015 #141

This Article RobinA Apr 2015 #151