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Jamaal510

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52. I'm still undecided and

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 02:59 AM

Apr 2015

am waiting to see what the final draft says, but he did make firm and rational points. For example, I think he made a key point when he differentiated it from NAFTA, Columbia, and other trade deals, and when he made the case that continuing on with our current situation would be the status quo and allow China the upper hand. I have a better understanding of why he wants the TPP than I did when just hearing from the progressive critics.

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Obama talks TPP on Hardball. Thoughts? [View all] DanTex Apr 2015 OP

I agree. n/t jaysunb Apr 2015 #1

I agree as well. Pirate Smile Apr 2015 #2

Agreed. KMOD Apr 2015 #3

Really ??? SamKnause Apr 2015 #4

Matthews had Sherrod Brown arguing against TPP KMOD Apr 2015 #5

I am aware. SamKnause Apr 2015 #9

I will check out your video. KMOD Apr 2015 #12

Thanks for your reply SamKnause Apr 2015 #17

Many jobs are created with trade. Wherever it's cheapest for them to exist. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #79

Many top Democrats are opposing this madville Apr 2015 #6

Then let the 1% give it, the 99% have been giving for over 30 years. haikugal Apr 2015 #32

Done. The 1% will give it, and the rest of us are off the hook. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #105

The 1% takes, they don't give. haikugal Apr 2015 #109

Agreed. China is muscling in everywhere, and they do not play by our rules. ... Hekate Apr 2015 #7

After Ed Shultz's fevered opposition redstateblues Apr 2015 #8

Why aren't the republicans foaming at the mouth over this? myrna minx Apr 2015 #10

Maybe They're Letting The Dems Do The Dirty Work For Them - hmmmmmm.... nt global1 Apr 2015 #11

Mitch McConnell said he can work with Obama on this. merrily Apr 2015 #22

I know; it's amazing! Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #25

What my thoughts are Aerows Apr 2015 #13

Like a tampon loaded with staph. Bohunk68 Apr 2015 #89

Occasionally, Aerows Apr 2015 #106

Doesn't it give any of TPP's fans pause truebluegreen Apr 2015 #14

I've asked the same thing Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #24

this is just me speculating Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2015 #28

They control both houses of Congress. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #83

Well, we got a couple of lowdown posts on this thread purporting to address that. merrily Apr 2015 #45

Yes, it does. But it is possible for something to be good for both workers and corporations. DanTex Apr 2015 #76

Not at all. woolldog Apr 2015 #86

Independent thinking is great, truebluegreen Apr 2015 #98

I don't look at what they think at all. woolldog Apr 2015 #108

I don't believe him pscot Apr 2015 #15

Thank you for saying that. SamKnause Apr 2015 #19

The problem I think is that the only person who knows the FACTS is the PRESIDENT. napi21 Apr 2015 #30

Yes that is the problem, the shroud of secrecy as to the deal all the way around and under it. lonestarnot Apr 2015 #36

You forgot the sarcasm emote, right? merrily Apr 2015 #53

NO, I didn't intend sarcasm. nt napi21 Apr 2015 #102

Of course you don't believe President Obama. That's been obvious. I don't care. Cha Apr 2015 #20

because there is a considerable body of evidence against the tpp cali Apr 2015 #59

+1. Something in his voice and manner when he was saying "they're wrong" winter is coming Apr 2015 #21

That's exactly what struck me as I watched when Bohunk68 Apr 2015 #90

Here's some video. lovemydog Apr 2015 #16

Thanks. joshcryer Apr 2015 #18

Why aren't the Republicans screaming about this? If this was a good deal myrna minx Apr 2015 #27

Well the US Chamber of Commerce, Orin Hatch and Paul Ryan are for it so what's not to love? neverforget Apr 2015 #31

Tbaggers are, they don't like foreigners. They seem to be aligning with Democrats Hoyt Apr 2015 #34

See Reply 40. merrily Apr 2015 #41

Yeah, explain why some here say screw Vietnamese and Mexican workers. Hoyt Apr 2015 #46

Haven't seen "some here" say that. if you have, you should have asked them to explain, not me. merrily Apr 2015 #48

We were promised that NAFTA would empower Mexican workers myrna minx Apr 2015 #62

This is the correct question to ask. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #58

Because anything with the words "trade agreement" are popular. joshcryer Apr 2015 #114

A couple of tweets I saw on the interview.. Cha Apr 2015 #23

Why are the Republicans giddy, and happy about this deal? Why is there, after years of calling the myrna minx Apr 2015 #29

Actually tbaggers are against it, they don't like foreigners and such. Hoyt Apr 2015 #33

Disgusting to equate opposition to TPP with xenophobia on the part of Democrats. merrily Apr 2015 #40

It's clear some folks don't give a darn about some poor Mexican or Vietnamese when it comes to Hoyt Apr 2015 #44

Oh, please. Saying anything to support Obama and/or Hillary and/or merrily Apr 2015 #47

Then why is supporting Obama and his vision for TPP associated with Republicans? Hoyt Apr 2015 #49

Read my post again. Maybe you'll figure it out. merrily Apr 2015 #50

The one that says if Republicans support it, it must be wrong. Well Tbaggers support your view of Hoyt Apr 2015 #54

Your smears could not possibly be further removed from logic. Or from truth. merrily Apr 2015 #55

You're actually dodging the question. DanTex Apr 2015 #74

why does the US Chamber of Commerce, Sen Orin Hatch and Rep Paul Ryan support it while neverforget Apr 2015 #57

Then why didn't Obama say hey - this will suck for Americans and drive down American wages djean111 Apr 2015 #65

Because improving conditions in foreign countries is good for the USA in many ways. Hoyt Apr 2015 #66

And the Americans who are jobless or can only get jobs at lower wages and less benefits are djean111 Apr 2015 #68

Some will from foreign companies that move here. Some will be domestic companies Hoyt Apr 2015 #71

I think you are attempting to put lipstick on a pig. Unsuccessfully. djean111 Apr 2015 #77

We are not going to have good jobs trading among ourselves. No, I am for Social Security and Hoyt Apr 2015 #80

I don't believe we are meant to have access to affordable education and health care. djean111 Apr 2015 #84

Fortunately, Democrats are starting to speak out. Just heard Rep Gerry Connolly note why he solidly Hoyt Apr 2015 #91

We are probably already eating it. I don't buy shrimp at all any more. djean111 Apr 2015 #92

What is your criticism of Mexico, Malaysia, Peru, Chile, etc. Hoyt Apr 2015 #93

So you see the TPP as penance for past deeds. Way to move the goalposts. djean111 Apr 2015 #94

True. You seem to believe you are powerless to keep your wages from dropping to Vietnamese levels. Hoyt Apr 2015 #96

You mean the folks for TPP? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #87

There is a chance of that if you have no real skills and our economy is on decline. That's Hoyt Apr 2015 #97

Progressives and liberals have consistently been against job sucking trade deals myrna minx Apr 2015 #61

I'm currently opposed to it Cha lovemydog Apr 2015 #37

I hear ya, lovemydog. As someone said.. it's not "condescending".. Pres Obama believes this Cha Apr 2015 #56

Gotta respect tweets! merrily Apr 2015 #43

Condescending as hell, I thought Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #26

He sound like he's "got this." lonestarnot Apr 2015 #35

Silly unions. merrily Apr 2015 #39

No bubba didn't. Bubba whipped up NAFTA, which sucks ass. No one really knows what is in lonestarnot Apr 2015 #42

Labor vs. trade. merrily Apr 2015 #113

and your wikipedia reference is for what purpose? lonestarnot Apr 2015 #115

The one thing everyone on this board agrees about is that Obama can speak persuarively when he wants merrily Apr 2015 #38

I'm not against trade deals gwheezie Apr 2015 #51

I'm still undecided and Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #52

So did I. I'd also venture to guess that many of the TPP opponents lamp_shade Apr 2015 #60

I listened in '93 when the same arguments pscot Apr 2015 #95

If it's so good why keep it a secret nt newfie11 Apr 2015 #63

The demagogues are having a field day. ucrdem Apr 2015 #64

I've lost some respect for them for that very reason. Hoyt Apr 2015 #67

Used his persona to deflect. How could someone like him steer you wrong? polichick Apr 2015 #69

Here's Obama's mistake(s) IMHO. Sancho Apr 2015 #70

Good post. I would like to see Obama or someone pro-TPP address those points also. DanTex Apr 2015 #73

How many technology service jobs are in the US anymore? gollygee Apr 2015 #75

If you mean answering phones and doing the books, yes they are going away. Sancho Apr 2015 #88

I can't trust any "free trade agreement" gollygee Apr 2015 #72

That's exactly what Obama addressed. Not all "free trade agreements" are the same. DanTex Apr 2015 #78

I had it on gollygee Apr 2015 #81

He can't make a strong case with all the secrecy around the bill. nt RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #82

He can't make much of ANY case so long as it's classified. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #99

the prez likes it? KG Apr 2015 #85

He sold me on it. LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #100

Here is what I got out of it. The TPP is a means upaloopa Apr 2015 #101

Thanks. I've been trying to learn more about it lovemydog Apr 2015 #104

The garbage in the post above is about trade and only a small part of TPP. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #111

Thanks for the information. lovemydog Apr 2015 #112

Was Tweety in full man-crush mode? KamaAina Apr 2015 #103

TPP will be the death knell of our nation Aerows Apr 2015 #107

disingenuous WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #110