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Buzz Clik

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46. No.

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:27 PM

Apr 2015

When it comes to the scientific issues, the information already exists, but some choose to ignore it:

a) Climate change: the science is in. There's uncertainty but we know we're changing the climate.
b) Vaccines: They are safe, a helluva lot safer than not vaccinating. Uncertainty? Very little. Some side effects? Very few.
c) GMOs: despite the howling from the ignorant, we have tons of solid scientific info demonstrating that the current releases are safe to eat.

Current topic: despite what cali and hissyspit are saying, DU was in full meltdown over this before leaks were released.

Summarizing what I said before: DU is afraid of the unknown, whether it's science based or not.

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In the case of TPP - it is not our fault that we do not have the official plan. The framers do not want us to see it. Are we supposed to ignore it until it is passed and a law? What we do have is people we trust on the issue: Krugman, Reich, Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and many progressive officials.

If that proposal is voted on without it being public, it will not be exclusively the framers' fault. Blame the entirety of Congress.

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DU was way ahead of the curve- and you ain't seen nothing yet. [View all] cali Apr 2015 OP

TPP for dummies justiceischeap Apr 2015 #1

its much larger than nafta cali Apr 2015 #3

anything that allows; corporations to sue countries marym625 Apr 2015 #4

Very well said. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #18

Thank you marym625 Apr 2015 #47

It really is NAFTA on steroids, so much so that Mexico & Canada want in on it. RiverLover Apr 2015 #5

Thanks. I want to understand this issue better justiceischeap Apr 2015 #6

I want to know what is in this plan also. Last night the president said that we should "dig into jwirr Apr 2015 #31

Not just Mexico and Canada-- panader0 Apr 2015 #13

And here are the other countries who have expressed interest in joining in~ RiverLover Apr 2015 #15

What is their motive for wanting in? Are they representing their people or their corporations? jwirr Apr 2015 #32

We can almost count on it Mexico and Canada will be in on this trade deal. especially Canada--- Sunlei Apr 2015 #67

Correction: Harper and his neo-cons want in arikara Apr 2015 #71

Krugman's take on it is worth reading. Chathamization Apr 2015 #8

Thanks. nt justiceischeap Apr 2015 #9

thank you for this. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #17

The intellectual property provisions are among the worst starroute Apr 2015 #23

+1 Hissyspit Apr 2015 #26

Serf City USA Octafish Apr 2015 #33

... TBF Apr 2015 #68

Great read. Why don't they give full copies of TPP to people like Krugman and Reich and other jwirr Apr 2015 #37

Because Krugman would tell us what they say. nt TBF Apr 2015 #69

Any Trade Agreement entered into by the US with other countries, should be available to Congress sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #41

Thank you! justiceischeap Apr 2015 #42

She won't have to marym625 Apr 2015 #2

IF a miracle happens & our congress stops the TPA fast track from passing at this time, RiverLover Apr 2015 #7

sigh marym625 Apr 2015 #11

They'll ram it through after LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #14

fast track means republicans can't attach their stupid riders to the deal, like "end obamacare". Sunlei Apr 2015 #61

Except she's on record supporting it Oilwellian Apr 2015 #20

Yes but she won't be clear now marym625 Apr 2015 #49

Some of us started to post about this - you did, of course! - in 2013. djean111 Apr 2015 #10

That is one glorious thing about DU. hedda_foil Apr 2015 #12

Thanks for the info. and realities- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #16

Can this be stopped in the senate with 41 votes and a threat to filibuster? rurallib Apr 2015 #19

This is precisely what DU does best: Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #21

whatever. hard to deny that we were discussing the tpp cali Apr 2015 #24

We were discussing how much we hate it before we know what it was. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #27

Actually, we were discussing the leaked drafts. Hissyspit Apr 2015 #30

fail. 3 important draft chapters have been leaked- The Environmental, Copyright and Investment cali Apr 2015 #54

Fail? Are you under the impression that you somehow contradicted me? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #65

No, the fact We don't know what's in it and it's going ahead is justified fear and demands action. libdem4life Apr 2015 #60

Yeah, as I was saying... Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #66

How many times must one fall for the same con, cooked up by the same vultures TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #70

Pff Hissyspit Apr 2015 #28

Tons of examples: Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #36

NO. So we are just supposed to ignore the climate change scientists? How long is it safe to ignore jwirr Apr 2015 #38

You missed the point and leaped off on your own thing. Not going there, sorry. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #43

I got your point - wait for the solid imfo. But that is often too late. And that was my point. jwirr Apr 2015 #44

No. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #46

Yes, Congress. They will have days to get it out to us. If they do not then they share the blame. jwirr Apr 2015 #48

WELL, At Least We're Obsessing... I've Called My Senator FOUR ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #50

I agree that it's a big deal. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #22

I don see the Iraq war playing much of a role cali Apr 2015 #40

HRC is boxed in on this issue and the campaign knows it.... antigop Apr 2015 #25

TPP will be waking up the masses, and later this year perhaps TSHTF with the EU, a storm's a mother earth Apr 2015 #29

If this goes through, Democrats are toast. The Republicans wanted NAFTA real bad LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #34

It's a classic case of... Oilwellian Apr 2015 #35

Doing the same thing over and over again yet claiming there will be different results fasttense Apr 2015 #39

A Pew poll in January ranked trade near the bottom of voters' priorities. Maybe that will change pampango Apr 2015 #45

It would be lower at DU too if people could put it in perspective and quit listening to all the Hoyt Apr 2015 #51

I'll take Sanders over McConnell any day of the week. arcane1 Apr 2015 #53

Sanders has been playing politics and spreading a lot of garbage. It's sad to watch him. Hoyt Apr 2015 #55

And Mitch McConnell has been a truth-telling champion of American workers. arcane1 Apr 2015 #56

McConnell is a piece of you know what, I see no reason for Sanders to try to one up him. Hoyt Apr 2015 #58

Why do you agree with McConnell on the TPP? What does HE like about it? arcane1 Apr 2015 #62

I agreed with bush on two things, his support of the Part D drug legislation and refusal to deport Hoyt Apr 2015 #63

Deflect and distract. Answer received. arcane1 Apr 2015 #64

It's sad that terrorism still ranks that high. arcane1 Apr 2015 #52

Fear sells. And we have essentially 24/7 coverage of ISIS and any terrorism anywhere in the world. pampango Apr 2015 #57

Here is a quote tiredtoo Apr 2015 #59