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JustAnotherGen

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46. I've read her stuff and the common dreams stuff before

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:00 PM

Apr 2015

I'm talking at a deeper level - NOT the draft from last May.

There is more there. And they don't seem to be focused on the innovators and that's driving me nuts. All of these folks seem to forget how HUGE the digital, wireless, and communications (electronic media) world is - and how the businesses are trying to move from a dumb pipe to solutions and practical application.

They know something - I'd like to see a group of Democratic Party Members in the Senate and House take a formal stand and sign a letter in opposition detailing why.

Common Dreams isn't good enough. Warren is regurgitating info from the initial leak. The Electronic Frontier Foundation keeps getting distracted by the Sony hack.

We are on the same side here - but I'm a devil is in the details person and the last time America got all in a lather we ended up at war.

They wouldn't be harping on it if they didn't know something was going to damage us.

We need to know that specific clause that turns us into a place like Brunei.

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K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #2

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huh? Congress has no part in drafting the TPP cali Apr 2015 #6

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+1 mmonk Apr 2015 #99

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They get 90 days to debate and vote. But.... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #19

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This right here . . . JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #155

WRONG. Congress critters have had and will have NO role in drafting the agreement. period. cali Apr 2015 #73

The previous hearings did not include our elected representatives. They may rhett o rick Apr 2015 #102

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Well given that we now have total R rule that sounds good because they could amend it to make it jwirr Apr 2015 #62

I don't disagree,but I think concepts like sufrommich Apr 2015 #64

In that sense I agree. We have seen too much of this in every bill on the floor. Example: The jwirr Apr 2015 #81

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That is what caught my attention. Bohunk68 Apr 2015 #144

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!!! nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #8

Why is she still saying 'if'? JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #10

Once Obama released the details, it will be IN WRITING for us to see Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #14

Why can't she? JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #16

Do you understand how the TPP document is being chaperoned? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #20

I do and have not JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #26

TPP Leaked Information Koinos Apr 2015 #36

I've read her stuff and the common dreams stuff before JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #46

Bingo! Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. 2banon Apr 2015 #132

You have a good question but it is my understanding that they got to go into the room and read jwirr Apr 2015 #71

because it's classified under the auspices of national security. cali Apr 2015 #96

What? Have you been following this at all? It doesn't like it from your comment. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #38

Didn't Poppy try to fast track NAFTA too? merrily Apr 2015 #153

Except it's currently labeled "classified" Oilwellian Apr 2015 #53

You are not nice to me :-) JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #59

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Fast Track Means that when Obama releases the details JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #17

I understand it means authority for an up-or-down vote. Octafish Apr 2015 #30

We need a good solid whistle blower on this n/t JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #32

Great idea for the Associative Universe to unfold... Octafish Apr 2015 #120

I don't expect the people who wrote it blow the whistle JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #140

This thing has been in the works since 2006! delrem Apr 2015 #112

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Elizabeth Warren~ The Peoples Champion Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #12

Obama is wrong on this! nt Logical Apr 2015 #13

Damn straight. nt B2G Apr 2015 #15

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The bill IS the fiasco! Fearless Apr 2015 #116

No, I think you misunderstood. salib Apr 2015 #157

No. I think I got it. DCBob Apr 2015 #158

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DU Rec. SixString Apr 2015 #23

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Plus 1000 n/t JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #33

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I know, right. KMOD Apr 2015 #87

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in your opinion a law that huge numbers of dems are against should be passed? Doctor_J Apr 2015 #146

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Is that what he said Joe Worker? lonestarnot Apr 2015 #147

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