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In reply to the discussion: Obama: Elizabeth Warren Is Simply Wrong On TPP [View all]JonLP24
(29,920 posts)107. TPPA makes Malaysia liable for foreign firms’ losses, new leak show

KUALA LUMPUR, March 26 A new leak of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement's (TPPA) investment chapter confirms fears that the trade deal will make signatory nations including Malaysia vulnerable to legal action by companies from partner countries.
In the latest release by whistle-blower organisation WikiLeaks, the TPPA would infuse private corporations of partner countries with special rights and standing to sue other governments for unlimited damages if laws detrimental to their profits are passed.
Additionally, the leaked chapter dated January 20 retained the controversial investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) that would allow companies to haul governments before a supranational tribunal for any losses both present and future suffered as a result of a country's legislation or legal decisions.
"The TPP has developed in secret an unaccountable supranational court for multinationals to sue states. This system is a challenge to parliamentary and judicial sovereignty.
Similar tribunals have already been shown to chill the adoption of sane environmental protection, public health and public transport policies, WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange said in a statement accompanying the release.
Such disputes would be arbitrated similarly to the World Bank's International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID), which previously awarded US$1.8 billion (RM6.6 bilion) to Occidental Petroleum from the government Ecuador despite acknowledging that the firm violated the terms of agreement.
Previous leaks of the TPPA showed that a key stumbling block was the refusal of the US to yield on the contentious ISDS clause of the agreement, which critics contend would open signatory states to legal action by private corporations if any law is deemed harmful to a firms commercial interests.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/tppa-makes-malaysia-liable-for-foreign-firms-losses-new-leak-show#sthash.GuX6KRN4.dpuf
Malaysia has a thriving manufacturing sector, there have been many protests in the country against TPP as well as many of the other nations on the list. Its a bad deal for all of us except the corporations. Think. Apply some common sense, do I have to mention the "giant sucking sound"?
TPP makes no economic sense
Essentially, its a US-Japan bilateral trade treaty that might complement the US-Japan security treaty.
KUALA LUMPUR: The proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) appears essentially to be coming down to a US-Japan bilateral trade treaty that might complement the US-Japan security treaty, according to Forbes in a comment piece.
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Theres very little in terms of synergies and very few prospects of finding them in the foreseeable future. The needs of developing countries would be much better served by concluding the WTO Doha Development Round.
Furthermore, it added, the architects of the post-World War II trade régime sought to de-geo-politicise trade. It is probably impossible to do so completely. TPP, however, is highly geopolitical and highly geopolitically divisive.
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The conventional view that TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) is about Europe, TPP is about Asia was also wrong.
TPP was a really strange mélange of 12 members including five from the Americas (Canada, Chile, Mexico, Peru and the US), five from Asia (Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam), along with Australia and New Zealand.
Missing are large Asian economies, notably South Korea, India and Indonesia, all three members of the G20.
Also missing of course is China; but that would seem to be deliberate, the economic arsenal of Washingtons (supposedly) strategic pivot to Asia, the fundamental aim of which is to contain China. Thus TPP is above all a geopolitical ploy with trade as a decoy, said Forbes.
This was the subject addressed in a publication by the Malay Economic Action Council (MTEM) entitled, TPP Malaysia is not for sale. It includes a foreword by former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad who does not mince his words when he states that the strongest campaigner of TPP is America [which seeks] to contain China and to safeguard its own economic interests [by] exploiting all resources from small but growing independent nations such as Malaysia.
He adds that TPP is not a fair or free trade partnership, but an agreement to tie down nations with rules and regulations that would only benefit American conglomerates. Furthermore, Mahathir pointed out, the negotiations are occurring entirely in secret, thereby adding to the suspicion that it is a conspiracy.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2015/04/10/tpp-makes-no-economic-sense/
So many posts "prove its wrong" or the onus is on Elizabeth Warren. Pay attention and read her damn statements, the only arguments I say in favor of it are political arguments -- not economic arguments.
UAW, Dems rally against TPP trade agreement
Toledo Cori Lortzs father, an American union worker, opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement in the 1990s. Now, more than 20 years later, she finds herself fighting against another trade policy: the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
I saw how NAFTA destroyed my dads livelihood and I dont want it to happen to me, she said Monday at UAW Local 12 in Toledo. Lortz said her father, Larry Middlebrooks, lost his job at a packaging company after operations moved to Mexico as a result of NAFTA.
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At the UAWs 2015 Special Bargaining Convention in Detroit last week President Dennis Williams said foreign governments that manipulate currency and put up barriers to imports in their own countries present new challenges to the economy.
No one can afford to get this one wrong, he said. Our government cannot negotiate another bad trade agreement.
Ford Motor Co. also has spoken out against TPP because it does not take a hard enough stance on currency manipulation and other issues.
Currency manipulation, also known as exchange rate intervention, is when a country uses its own currency and buys up foreign reserves like the U.S. dollar, weakening its own currency. A weak currency cheapens the price of a countrys exports, making them more attractive to international buyers by undercutting competitors.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/03/30/uaw-trade-policy-american-workers/70693748/
Essentially the TPP is lassez-faire, trickle-down, top-down, supply side, "shock therapy", whatever you want to call it. People who argue its good for the American worker or any worker in those countries is lying or ill-informed. Look at each individually countries economies & you begin to realize why the corporations are salivating.
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Sorry, I looked for it prior to posting it, and didn't seen anything about it....
a kennedy
Apr 2015
#9
Glad to see you posting here. Got a few qustions about the protests in EU regarding the TTIP.
jwirr
Apr 2015
#111
Warren should prove Obama is wrong, she is the one making the claim it's wrong for America.
Lil Missy
Apr 2015
#12
It was if you weren't White, Male, and Landed. Not mad at you, but just sayin=)
Volaris
Apr 2015
#162
And we always get fucked over so *always* isn't very compelling or attractive.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#139
Has nothing to do with what I will. Pure observation. Do you have some argument that these deals
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#145
As predicted, you have no argument that these "free trade" deals have not been harmful
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#148
Our hair is not on fire. Nor do we want the details of the negotiations. We want access to the plan
jwirr
Apr 2015
#113
"Always done it that way" doesn't make it right and doesn't mean it's a good deal.
Dawgs
Apr 2015
#99
But Congress will know when they vote. And fast track doesn't meant they must approve it.
freshwest
Apr 2015
#71
Partly it's the rush for time to respond to stories, need to get ratings, and failing to reflect.
freshwest
Apr 2015
#157
Yes, heaven forbid that massive trade deals are negotiated in confidence. You know, like they always
underahedgerow
Apr 2015
#161
Can you explain the details in simple terms? Are their enforcement protections built in, and other
still_one
Apr 2015
#33
Yes, you have to read several sources including the negotiating text, USTR site, Obama explanations,
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#46
Outraged Sherrod Brown: 12 Hours Notice for Hearings, Secret Meetings, Staff Not Able to View TPP.
KoKo
Apr 2015
#55
Brown, whom I really like when he's not playing politics, shouldn't have waited to the last minute
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#72
Yeah it is Brown and Warren lying and Ryan, McConnell, Paul, the Chamber of Commerce,
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#143
No it's not, you can look it up yourself. If true, she's not doing a very good job keeping
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#73
This is the problem. The deal was done in secret, and because of that glances are obtained from
still_one
Apr 2015
#31
what fucking facts? the secret facts? oh, trust me, he said, I'm a liberal he said.
elehhhhna
Apr 2015
#34
The fact that they want to do it fast and secret tells me everything I need to know..
yourout
Apr 2015
#35
I wish a reporter would ask him.."How is TPP different from NAFTA which decimated our....
yourout
Apr 2015
#39
Here's your chance, Elizabeth, now you've not only got the banksters in your sight, but
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#60
Let's see. Who is keeping it secret, and who wants to examine it out in the open?
GoneFishin
Apr 2015
#62
I'm sorry Mr President, history of these trade agreements says you are wrong on TPP.
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#66
Not the first question the president and I have disagreed over. Such is life.
cheapdate
Apr 2015
#68
I remember a guy promising in 2008 to get us out of NAFTA. Apparently he was wrong too? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2015
#116