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133. No, he won't win. Absolutely not. Practicality trumps idealism

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:46 PM

Apr 2015

in politics. Purists forget that to our party's detriment. That's the reason I could never fully adore Ted Kennedy. He railed against Jimmy Carter not being liberal enough and tried to primary a sitting president. He had a hand in giving us Ronald Reagan as a result of his idealism. He also killed Carter's healthcare reform because it wasn't liberal enough. That hurt a lot of people, set us back 30 years, and ultimately killed many who died without access to adequate health care.

Idealism has its place, but it isn't in politics. On the other side of the aisle, we see the purists doing the same thing; shutting down government, insisting on their way or the highway, turning Americans against them because they insist on purity over politics. Politics is dirty, and the best that you can hope for is a good compromise most of the time. It's not for the purist, that's for sure.

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As of today, I am supporting Bernie Sanders for President. [View all] kentuck Apr 2015 OP

I will vote for the eventual Democratic Nominee Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #1

Me too. LiberalLoner Apr 2015 #12

Bernie's problem he one of those people that can't make a decision. He won't CK_John Apr 2015 #2

I would agree with you that he should run as a Democrat... kentuck Apr 2015 #5

They'll spend more to Vilify,nullify, and try to dismiss him as old, even though orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #9

Yes, But he has integrity. That is -- he does what he says. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #84

What he is , is honest sendit Apr 2015 #93

A rare species . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #145

And that's why there must be a powerful counter-force to oppose big money. RiverNoord Apr 2015 #162

Bernie can't be bought by the Kochs as you imply. You do not know his history re money do you? Dragonfli Apr 2015 #14

Bernie has no say in who donates or sets up a pac to support a candidate CK_John Apr 2015 #29

You are saying they will buy him whether he likes it or not? Dragonfli Apr 2015 #32

They already have 50 states organization ready to collect signatures and get CK_John Apr 2015 #44

Documentation? And the candidate does have the right to say NO. jwirr Apr 2015 #59

I was wrong, you aren't even worth a laugh or two. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #64

Bernie wouldn't go there and you know it. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #71

Again it's sort of out of his control... Agschmid Apr 2015 #122

Nobody would vote for Bernie as a third-party candidate Ken Burch Apr 2015 #134

I wasn't trying to hold him responsible. Agschmid Apr 2015 #137

Bernie has said he would not run as a Independent in the GE QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #97

This. Agschmid Apr 2015 #123

The last I heard he said he hadn't made his mind yet on running as a Democrat. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #130

All they have to do is put up SuperPac ads in his favor in Purple states... Agschmid Apr 2015 #121

Why would they support him over the Republican? Dragonfli Apr 2015 #126

... Agschmid Apr 2015 #129

Your entire premise rests on the assumption that he is a liar Dragonfli Apr 2015 #131

And people still think Warren is going to run... Agschmid Apr 2015 #138

Accepting donations does not equal selling out. He's never sold out in his life. Stop smearing. merrily Apr 2015 #151

The Kochs can set up PACs pro and anti Bernie. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #87

Perfect one word for Bernie: genuine Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #95

I agree, that's a good word for him. haikugal Apr 2015 #127

Good thinking there sammythecat Apr 2015 #166

He said he would not run as an Ind. bunnies Apr 2015 #17

He wouldn't run as an Independent. bvf Apr 2015 #23

This is a moot point. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #35

Republicans using Bernie Mnpaul Apr 2015 #49

That reminds me, I still haven't watched that interview! arcane1 Apr 2015 #53

He is a moral, fair-minded man. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #89

And he was never a Republican at any point in his life. Ikonoklast Apr 2015 #108

I thought he said he was undecided about running as a Dem or as an Indie. merrily Apr 2015 #159

He did. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #181

Funny that some apparently heard only part of that. merrily Apr 2015 #182

We all know he's not going to go Nader on us. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #69

absolutely correct. He will either run as a Democrat or not run. We will know soon enough still_one Apr 2015 #128

No, several posters above are pushing the meme he will run as a spoiler with the help of the Kochs. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #132

That is ABSOLUTELY NOT what we are saying... Agschmid Apr 2015 #140

Good point. I've already seen RW bloggers suggesting that. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #81

It's a ridiculous point. smokey nj Apr 2015 #98

He can't make a decision? Really? What exactly are you basing that on? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #109

I thought he said he might run as a Dem, if he got support for that. merrily Apr 2015 #150

not sure why I bother to respond to your invariably bizarre claims cali Apr 2015 #157

is he running? lame54 Apr 2015 #3

I would vote for Sanders and Warren over Clinton but... ananda Apr 2015 #4

I resentfully, regretfully would also, I'm going to do whatever to help orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #7

United we Stand... kentuck Apr 2015 #10

Believe me I see hillary as same old story, Sanders/ Warren is orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #24

It would help her a little if she came out against the TPP, I think? kentuck Apr 2015 #28

the old "It will have to pass so I can see what's in it" - I thought that was Pelosi's old tact. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #42

She'll use the same out as WMD's , I fear . N/T orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #56

Yes, I support Hillary, but I want her to come out against Fast Track NOW QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #99

our only hope for change handmade34 Apr 2015 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Apr 2015 #163

+1. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #82

Just waiting to see if he gets in - we'll know soon. polichick Apr 2015 #6

Welcome aboard. If he's running it's up to us to make sure his message gets out there Autumn Apr 2015 #8

I hope someone delivers your message. kentuck Apr 2015 #11

Here's the thing, all those little short blurbs Bernie posts? I post them on my FB Autumn Apr 2015 #19

Those are great ! kentuck Apr 2015 #20

My republican Niece in Texas who always shared conservative crap is sharing stuff from Bernies FB Autumn Apr 2015 #21

Bravo ! kentuck Apr 2015 #22

We are at a crossroads here. We need change and we need it now. Autumn Apr 2015 #25

The motto: kentuck Apr 2015 #30

That's a good one, can't wait to see what Bernie come up with. Autumn Apr 2015 #36

We needed it long ago, but I'll settle for now since that's the best that is possible. merrily Apr 2015 #153

And I would predict a mass grass root movement. zeemike Apr 2015 #112

His words get the hell shared out of them on Facebook, from many pages. arcane1 Apr 2015 #41

Thank You Autumn kacekwl Apr 2015 #85

Yes. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #91

I wish handmade34 Apr 2015 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Apr 2015 #13

Well we support different candidates but I respect your view. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #15

I stand with you, kentuck. hifiguy Apr 2015 #16

Peace kentuck Apr 2015 #18

I also support Bernie. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #26

+1. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2015 #39

Great post, kentuck MissDeeds Apr 2015 #27

We need to take a stand. kentuck Apr 2015 #34

I'm with you, kentuck. Excellent post. I agree on every point. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #31

K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #33

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - The 1% Manchurian Candidate cantbeserious Apr 2015 #37

I feel the same as you. I admire his values and actions. Sienna86 Apr 2015 #38

Is he running? Did I miss the announcement.. one_voice Apr 2015 #40

I met him many H2O Man Apr 2015 #43

Hey! kentuck Apr 2015 #46

This is a curious H2O Man Apr 2015 #51

There is an unease amongst the masses... kentuck Apr 2015 #58

The Great Unwashed Autumn Apr 2015 #74

It's getting awfully hot in this handcart hifiguy Apr 2015 #76

That's exctly why the TeaParty was so easy to gin up hootinholler Apr 2015 #105

Great! Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #94

Too Bad he is not running,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #45

He hasn't said that. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #73

Last I heard, he's deciding on April 30th arcane1 Apr 2015 #77

when did Bernie say he isn't running? 2banon Apr 2015 #102

Has he announced that he's running? workinclasszero Apr 2015 #47

If he were to run bvf Apr 2015 #143

And I won't vote for a Democrat who will sell us out, just because they're a Democrat.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #174

Has he declared yet? Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #48

Is he a Democrat? blue neen Apr 2015 #50

Bernie has said on many occasions that he won't run as an Independent. Maedhros Apr 2015 #175

When he announces I will support him. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #52

If he runs, I'll vote for Bernie. Ilsa Apr 2015 #54

It really ticks me off grandpamike1 Apr 2015 #55

The folks that wipe and dangle for Jamie, Lloyd, the surrvilence state and the whole "stakeholder" TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #61

Damn tootin'!! nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #183

Pardon me for a moment Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #78

+1. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #83

, 2banon Apr 2015 #104

I love Bernie, his ideas, but vote for Hillary QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #111

If his label is actually death at the polls, he won't survive the primary anyway. merrily Apr 2015 #154

so the danger, then, is that the GOP will pass bad laws--laws so bad it wouldn't matter MisterP Apr 2015 #118

My vote is mine to cast, not yours. Maedhros Apr 2015 #176

Then don't risk it. Don't risk losing those votes. Run a better candidate. [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #178

I hear you, I support him too, you will NOT vote for him, however, in the november election NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #57

Are you for real? winter is coming Apr 2015 #62

YOu didnt read what I said, I said he, or for you I guess I have to add ANYBODY cant vote NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #63

I did read what you said. Thanks for confirming that it's a waste of time to read your posts. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #65

So how does one vote for Bernie if he isnt on the ballot by his OWN CHOICE? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #66

I will write his name in if I have to. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #125

Hypothetical ? here: YOUR vote is the swing vote. You write in Bernie and as a result Scott Walker NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #169

bravo! PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #60

I am voting for Bernie in the primary and for whoever wins in the general. jwirr Apr 2015 #67

If Senator Sanders runs for the Dem Nominee, he has my support too. KnR/nt chknltl Apr 2015 #68

I will vote for the eventual Democratic Nominee flying-skeleton Apr 2015 #70

I too do G_j Apr 2015 #72

Good on you, kentuck. Octafish Apr 2015 #75

I have volunteered for Bernie Sanders. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #79

Me too BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #106

He is older than I am, and I consider myself old. And he doesn't JDPriestly Apr 2015 #119

I hope so BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #146

Welcome kacekwl Apr 2015 #80

I support Bernie too! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #86

I'm supporting Titleist as my favorite golf ball. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #88

Welcome home! Zorra Apr 2015 #96

I'd like to draft Brown but I'm down with Bernie. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #100

Honestly... Everything he's stood for better represents the Democratic party, so we all should. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #101

I couldn't agree more. NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #103

I am voting for Clinton in the primaries,even if Sanders runs arely staircase Apr 2015 #107

Hillary hopes he will run customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #110

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #113

I would LOVE a dual ticket! blondie58 Apr 2015 #114

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders too. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #115

Not Ready For Hillary 2016 blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #116

I'm not Ready for Hillary, either. rury Apr 2015 #120

plus another! n/t wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #117

Me too, but as of several months ago. Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #124

No, he won't win. Absolutely not. Practicality trumps idealism BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #133

What you may call "purity"... kentuck Apr 2015 #136

Just give us the chance Bernie! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #135

Not me.. The guy is willing to lie about Obama and an agreement important to our Hoyt Apr 2015 #139

So Bernie Sanders is a liar Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #141

Not only that, but he is a liar that they think will run with Koch help Dragonfli Apr 2015 #142

how do you know he's lying? cali Apr 2015 #160

Add to the mountains of evidence that the Turd Way are the enemy in league with the corporate wing TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #188

If that were true, you'd be outnumbered 8 to 2. Hoyt Apr 2015 #189

The words are in English but they don't come together to mean anything TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #190

I would agree with those that say he should run as a Democrat. kentuck Apr 2015 #144

Moreso traditionally than many that hold office with a D beside their name. mmonk Apr 2015 #147

Let's not say, "he may not win" marym625 Apr 2015 #148

He has my vote in the primaries RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #149

I will vote for Bernie in the NH primary and I hope he wins the nomination. Vinca Apr 2015 #152

I too will vote Joe Worker Apr 2015 #155

As of today, I am supporting your supporting Bernie Sanders for President... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #156

Well rtracey Apr 2015 #158

I will vote for whom I feel imthevicar Apr 2015 #161

I'm not pointing fingers... kentuck Apr 2015 #164

I don't agree that he 'most likely won't' win. If he was up against whatever loony RiverNoord Apr 2015 #165

Sanders will not be able to win. It's too bad, but the country will Sheepshank Apr 2015 #167

Sanders can do nothing for the Democratic Party until he JOINS the Democratic Party.... George II Apr 2015 #168

Me too. Thanks! closeupready Apr 2015 #170

so are hanging at a DEM site, but throw your lot in with a NON DEM Sheepshank Apr 2015 #171

I always vote for who I want in the primary. It's already bought and paid for anyway. valerief Apr 2015 #172

No, it doesnt seem unrealistic..........it is unrealistic. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #173

Hear, hear! Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #177

Again he is not a Democrat and he is not running. upaloopa Apr 2015 #179

Kentuck donnasgirl Apr 2015 #180

No idea why anyone would support Hillary over Bernie or Warren RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #184

Because Bernie is NOT going to get the funding he'll need ... staggerleem Apr 2015 #185

Is that because people don't agree with him on policy, RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #186

Huge K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #187

Have I stumbled into the IndependentUnderground? philosslayer Apr 2015 #191

Early endorsement for Bernie: kentuck Apr 2016 #192