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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
157. Partly it's the rush for time to respond to stories, need to get ratings, and failing to reflect.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:29 AM
Apr 2015

99% of what's posted ionline is taken from pundits, articles, etc. I have questions I ask myself when I read a headline and the stories.

First, what is my first reaction, what does my gut say - and why was it written that way?

Second, I remind myself that gut feeling are emotional responses, and sometimes the way they got into my gut, aren't rational. And they are often manipulated by applying the pyramid of needs.

Third, I go on the basis of what I know about the processes being remarked upon with such fervor.

That is, elections, majorities, bills, amendments, the separation of power and the limits, and think of the reasons for the bill, and the media blurb that has just been put out there for me to digest.

It really takes the drama away, but I also know, humans love drama and tend to follow the crowd. No matter how hard they shriek they are such pure individualists, or the member of some group they consider superior to others, they are following a crowd. It's nothing to be ashamed of unless their howling at the Moon hurts others.

Did they follow them on the basis of a need for themselves, or for others, as a knee jerk response, or unresolved emotional issues they have cloaked in loaded words and terms to make them justified? Or just from the sheer wreariness of resisting, or knowing there's safety in numbers even if they are illogical?

I've seen people yelling 'yeah, yeah! that's right!' on the most ridiculous subject matter, things that they would never want to see upclose and personal or know nothing about the background of, and the potential harm. And that are nihilistic, anti-social, and not solving anything.

(Pardon my run-on sentences, but at times one holds all the thought threads at once and weaves them together. It's difficult to separate them, especially if one sees them as all equal in effect.)

Fourth, I join with any knowledge I have what I've seen work and not work for the most elements, keeping people alive and letting them be free to choose, no matter what is being hyped as the new and cool thing. As we've seen that some of that is half a century or even centuries old and useless, if not dangerous to the life and limb of others. People love to be in a cult, I've seen one or two new religions spring up on DU. I won't list them because saying anything scientific or real world is, like speaking against profit, blasphemy.

Fifth, and nearly last, with my apologies as I tend to ramble as I've actually got my mind busy on a few other things as I am typing, I look to who is paying for the stories being put before us. They are designed to make us cheer or be angry or feel despair.

Who is the paymaster of the speaker? I've seen people act shocked, I tell you, shocked!!! that their media heroes interview RWNJs, warmongers, people with anti-social and anti-life agendas.

This goes to who is paying for the infrastructure of the news. That is a lot of money there, and these people are very well-paid for what they do. But there are only about a half dozen owners of just about everything we see or hear. From commericals, to music, to television and movies, there is an agenda. To waste our time, to get us to vote a certain way* or think a certain way, to accept certain things. The media is a subdivison of other business interests.

They tell their employees who they will interview, give them a bit of leeway to bring people in of opposing viewpoints. This is exactly what Koch said he would do when he lost his run for the office of POTUS in 1980. The voters didn't like his platform his ideas, maybe even him. So he said he would work his way through media, universities and all the organs of influence to get people to think his way. Think of Rush 's motto - that he would keep on talking until everyone thought just like him - in other words, become Dittoheads. With total saturation of many markets, he is still doing this daily. The reports of his demise due to boycotts are great exaggerated. Not that the boycotts haven't had an effect. But as Dick Armey said as he left Freedom Works, one of the Koch front groups, the Koch brothers were paying him. He didn't depend on advertising, and the losses from that didn't affect him, but played havoc with the radio stations he was on, having bought a large block of time every day and his spiel was re-run all day on the weekends.

Alex Jones, who's fawned over Reagan, the John Birch Society, Ron and now Rand Paul, also 'really likes' Ted Cruz. And this is who people believe is telling them TheTruth©!!! and tells them that anyone who disagrees, is part of the problem. His disdain for Democrats as what he calls 'Fabian socialists,' his call for Libertarians to infiltrate Occupy as they were speaking against the sacred cow of capitalism, and his inability to utter 'Democrat' without a curled up sneer, is not objective, yet is making converts. Just as Rush said Democrats should be hunted down with dogs, there is no way to negotiate with the cult.

All of these people are being paid, and handsomely. Those who have joined the cult and speak against the 1% or TPTB, are still enabling the same when they paradoxically disenfranchise themselves and care nothing for the civil rights, as they only care about civii libertarianism, which protected the rights of women and people of color - NEVER. Yet we are the majority.

Thus their solutions are to disrupt those they don't respect, to keep that power for themselves. While Ed seems to be a great guy, he's kept on a short leash. They all are. If they won't stay on it, they will be fired, but not before being thoroughly villified so that their former fans find fault with their personality, their auxiliary views, or their words, never seeing that in so doing, they are themselves aiding the 1% with their cult.

Sixth, now I have to go, sorry I can't finish this.

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sorry this is a dupe HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #1
Duplicates are permitted in GD Autumn Apr 2015 #4
Sorry, I looked for it prior to posting it, and didn't seen anything about it.... a kennedy Apr 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #37
Someone's wrong but it sure as hell isn't Liz. Autumn Apr 2015 #2
I thought the First Comment kind of said it all in reply on Huff Post: KoKo Apr 2015 #38
Yeah I like that one too. Autumn Apr 2015 #47
+100 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #89
Stop With The Secrecy Obama billhicks76 Apr 2015 #41
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #64
My thought too n/t MissDeeds Apr 2015 #50
prove her wrong frylock Apr 2015 #3
Sounds like he's going to attempt to do just that LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #6
with words or with data? frylock Apr 2015 #18
Apparently with action LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #100
THat is exactly what was said to those concerned about NAFTA. bvar22 Apr 2015 #110
Glad to see you posting here. Got a few qustions about the protests in EU regarding the TTIP. jwirr Apr 2015 #111
Warren should prove Obama is wrong, she is the one making the claim it's wrong for America. Lil Missy Apr 2015 #12
maybe they should release the details of the trade agreement.. frylock Apr 2015 #17
That approach is crazy. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #65
Warren proves Obama wrong every time she talks about TPP Joe Turner Apr 2015 #79
You're speaking the truth JonLP24 Apr 2015 #109
That's on Obama - he's the one who has it marked classified. TBF Apr 2015 #124
How the fuck are we supposed to know that since he won't tell us whats in it tularetom Apr 2015 #5
^^^this^^^ TDale313 Apr 2015 #15
See below; plus then how does Elizabeth Warren know what's in it? treestar Apr 2015 #27
she didn't make the rules that made it secret dsc Apr 2015 #74
If she knows should she not tell us? treestar Apr 2015 #95
If she did release the text, bvar22 Apr 2015 #128
It is classified info. The congress cannot release the details. jwirr Apr 2015 #112
" ... his administration has deemed the negotiations to be classified." NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #7
Mahalo for making that more clear, Nance. Cha Apr 2015 #8
Many of us ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #11
How have these classfied negotiations with LABOR, Enironmentalist, bvar22 Apr 2015 #53
"President Transparency" ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #58
If they cannot be done in the light of day... Chan790 Apr 2015 #75
Yeah, okay, whatever. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #81
The US Constitution was negotiated in secret NobodyHere Apr 2015 #87
Holy shit. Completely different and you know it. n/t Dawgs Apr 2015 #97
At least representatives of the American People were in attendance. bvar22 Apr 2015 #115
It was if you weren't White, Male, and Landed. Not mad at you, but just sayin=) Volaris Apr 2015 #162
In that case he has no basis for smearing Elizabeth Warren Jim Lane Apr 2015 #90
Ah, now I see the problem. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #91
Total straw man argument. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #93
You're the one ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #108
I didn't believe Bill CLinton would do that either, bvar22 Apr 2015 #119
About my agenda Jim Lane Apr 2015 #134
What it actually comes down to is ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #141
On this subject you don't HAVE to rely on DUers for their "expert" opinions. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #144
I unabashedly admire Obama. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #149
I certainly don't regret having voted for him. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #150
Hold it right there ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #151
If I misinterpreted your #91, I apologize. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #159
Has this been mentioned on DU? "Labor groups protest against TPP" Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #155
Thanks for the info! Jim Lane Apr 2015 #158
Complete Strawman from a tortured imagination. bvar22 Apr 2015 #117
I didn't raise the "strawman" ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #130
Your argument is still a Srawman. bvar22 Apr 2015 #132
They were wrong before and they're wrong now. Dawgs Apr 2015 #98
There are reasons for agreements ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #106
YEs. There ARE reasons, bvar22 Apr 2015 #118
And we always get fucked over so *always* isn't very compelling or attractive. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #139
Believe what you will. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #142
Has nothing to do with what I will. Pure observation. Do you have some argument that these deals TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #145
Believe what you will. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #147
As predicted, you have no argument that these "free trade" deals have not been harmful TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #148
WE ARE NOT A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE!! ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #83
Our hair is not on fire. Nor do we want the details of the negotiations. We want access to the plan jwirr Apr 2015 #113
I have said repeatedly ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #137
you are wrong. the process of negotiation is NOT exactly the same cali Apr 2015 #13
I didn't say that the process is always "exactly the same". NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #14
TO VARYING DEGREES. The secrecy around negotiations for the TPP has been cali Apr 2015 #19
You forgot me!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #120
and bvar. of course! how remiss of me. cali Apr 2015 #140
Yeah, but you're an anonymous online commenter, so you don't count. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #146
People are constantly doing this re Obama treestar Apr 2015 #26
Exactly. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #32
You are WRONG again. bvar22 Apr 2015 #121
Trade treaties are always negotiated ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #131
I don't work for you. bvar22 Apr 2015 #133
"Always done it that way" doesn't make it right and doesn't mean it's a good deal. Dawgs Apr 2015 #99
But Congress will know when they vote. And fast track doesn't meant they must approve it. freshwest Apr 2015 #71
Well, all I can add is this ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #85
Strange that Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #154
Partly it's the rush for time to respond to stories, need to get ratings, and failing to reflect. freshwest Apr 2015 #157
Not the same process muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #94
..ANd Senator Sanders shoots down... bvar22 Apr 2015 #129
If, as you say, ALL trade treaties are negotiated in secret, bvar22 Apr 2015 #114
Yes, heaven forbid that massive trade deals are negotiated in confidence. You know, like they always underahedgerow Apr 2015 #161
lol. and Merkely is wrong and Schumer is wrong and Sanders is wrong and cali Apr 2015 #10
Funny how he doesn't mention that neverforget Apr 2015 #16
and Levin(just heard him on a local show) Mnpaul Apr 2015 #21
hey, thanks cali Apr 2015 #23
I wish that I had the whole interview Mnpaul Apr 2015 #24
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #52
A bit off topic but... tavernier Apr 2015 #69
Does he have to agree when the list reaches a certain number? treestar Apr 2015 #29
The TPP is not one thing. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #78
Well Said........! KoKo Apr 2015 #40
Prove it. 99Forever Apr 2015 #20
That's a statement likely to bite him in the ass. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #22
Classic Disagreement between an anti-LABOR "moderate Republican from the 80s", bvar22 Apr 2015 #25
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #42
''Conspiracy Theorists.'' Octafish Apr 2015 #28
I hope she's wrong, and not purposely spreading the junk. My favorite recently is Hoyt Apr 2015 #30
Can you explain the details in simple terms? Are their enforcement protections built in, and other still_one Apr 2015 #33
Yes, you have to read several sources including the negotiating text, USTR site, Obama explanations, Hoyt Apr 2015 #46
Outraged Sherrod Brown: 12 Hours Notice for Hearings, Secret Meetings, Staff Not Able to View TPP. KoKo Apr 2015 #55
Brown, whom I really like when he's not playing politics, shouldn't have waited to the last minute Hoyt Apr 2015 #72
Yeah it is Brown and Warren lying and Ryan, McConnell, Paul, the Chamber of Commerce, TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #143
Wrong. bvar22 Apr 2015 #56
No it's not, you can look it up yourself. If true, she's not doing a very good job keeping Hoyt Apr 2015 #73
This is the problem. The deal was done in secret, and because of that glances are obtained from still_one Apr 2015 #31
what fucking facts? the secret facts? oh, trust me, he said, I'm a liberal he said. elehhhhna Apr 2015 #34
The fact that they want to do it fast and secret tells me everything I need to know.. yourout Apr 2015 #35
Right now I am opposed to TPP. lovemydog Apr 2015 #36
I wish a reporter would ask him.."How is TPP different from NAFTA which decimated our.... yourout Apr 2015 #39
Me too. I would like to see him give a speech as to why he's in favor, lovemydog Apr 2015 #45
Funny how both Obama AND Clinton knew how bad NAFTA was nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #48
Given that florida08 Apr 2015 #43
And the fact the Republicans like this and agree with the president dflprincess Apr 2015 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2015 #44
Sorry Mr. President... SoapBox Apr 2015 #49
Obama who put Monsanto in charge of overseeing our food emsimon33 Apr 2015 #51
... SidDithers Apr 2015 #70
You need to put down the weed and keep current emsimon33 Apr 2015 #92
Yeah, I remember my first beer too, kid LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #103
I stand with Sen. Warren (nt) bigwillq Apr 2015 #54
I'm sure Obama... sendero Apr 2015 #57
"TRUST ME" Skittles Apr 2015 #59
Here's your chance, Elizabeth, now you've not only got the banksters in your sight, but libdem4life Apr 2015 #60
One of the things I seem to recall him saying to Tweety was to Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #61
+1 840high Apr 2015 #80
Let's see. Who is keeping it secret, and who wants to examine it out in the open? GoneFishin Apr 2015 #62
Convince her zipplewrath Apr 2015 #63
I'm sorry Mr President, history of these trade agreements says you are wrong on TPP. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #66
I watched as he dredged out the same argument I've heard before NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #67
Not the first question the president and I have disagreed over. Such is life. cheapdate Apr 2015 #68
Referring to her as an ally on a whole host of issues just makes morningfog Apr 2015 #76
says the most corporate president in history. Doctor_J Apr 2015 #77
Finally shows his true colors. Koinos Apr 2015 #84
Obama has ALWAYS been a very moderate democrat. He is actually slightly BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #86
The Republicans Said so JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #101
That doesn't excuse his behavior. nt TBF Apr 2015 #125
But he can't say why... AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #88
The TPP is about as secret as the square root of one. ucrdem Apr 2015 #96
ARe you trying to imply that Warren and Sanders... bvar22 Apr 2015 #126
Followup: Warren responds PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #102
But the GOP, the Heritage Foundation, brentspeak Apr 2015 #104
How about taking it to the people ? Smarmie Doofus Apr 2015 #105
WOW??!!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #138
TPPA makes Malaysia liable for foreign firms’ losses, new leak show JonLP24 Apr 2015 #107
I remember a guy promising in 2008 to get us out of NAFTA. Apparently he was wrong too? n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #116
He never even tried. bvar22 Apr 2015 #122
Yes. Austan Goolsbee was that guy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #123
Thank You. bvar22 Apr 2015 #135
Here's a contemporary article from Mother Jones lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #136
Canadian TV nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #156
Yes, he was the senior economist at the DLC before joining QC Apr 2015 #153
A simpler explanation rock Apr 2015 #127
Release it so we can see for ourselves. BainsBane Apr 2015 #152
If It Was a Good Deal Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #160
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