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36. absolute bull

Reply to BlueCaliDem (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:16 AM

Apr 2015

Sorry I've posted scores of threads giving the lie to your claim

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This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #1

Is he going to release the text so Congress knows what he's asking them to Fast Track? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #2

Even if he did, and the TPP was made of gold and fairy dust.... daleanime Apr 2015 #52

He knows what is in it. He also knows what we are worried about. No more generic speeches. Just jwirr Apr 2015 #96

Yes. He will release it. Will you actually read it? Hoyt Apr 2015 #68

Trying to get DU's left to defend itself at every turn just never gets old, does it? merrily Apr 2015 #76

I've read the parts were released by Wikileaks, and if the rest of it sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #106

You'll have plenty of time before Congress considers it. Hoyt Apr 2015 #107

Plenty of time to do what? Know what the TeaPubliKlans are going to vote for with no away to stop it TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #111

What happens if Obama sends them a good agreement? I don't believe he'll send a bad one Hoyt Apr 2015 #113

I don't care what you believe not to disrespect you but because it has no bearing TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #115

He and his educated advisers could be right too. Lots of people wouldn't even realize it. Hoyt Apr 2015 #116

I predict that it will be impenetrably worded. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #120

No, thanks, Obama. (nt) bigwillq Apr 2015 #3

Sorry, not buying. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #4

Go, for it, Mr. President. But please be more honest than you were last night cali Apr 2015 #5

Turn to His Base? Koinos Apr 2015 #6

I'm sure you are. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #10

You're trying a little too hard LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #18

lol. nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #20

Back so soon? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #26

I'm right behind you, Koinos Rolando Apr 2015 #56

"You used to agree with Democrats on most issues". I doubt it, unless you were around when FDR was still_one Apr 2015 #65

You do seem close. That may not work out well. merrily Apr 2015 #77

You may be against the TPP, and that is fine, but do you even know what this president has still_one Apr 2015 #64

Most people in D.C. think 250k a year is middle class. Rex Apr 2015 #110

An Organizing for America event brentspeak Apr 2015 #7

Nice to see you. You wrote one of the best DU OPs I've ever seen. Nice to be able to thank you. merrily Apr 2015 #78

You're welcome brentspeak Apr 2015 #105

If the TPP fails, NAFTA will remain "as is". One of President Obama's campaign promises was to BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #8

international partners Koinos Apr 2015 #11

I would assume the same that were involved with NAFTA. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #14

Corporations Koinos Apr 2015 #23

So you'd rather keep NAFTA as is? BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #27

What specifically is being fixed? TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #38

I gave you the links to the U.S Trade Representative site. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #39

So meandering rhetoric and fluff? Gotcha. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #45

You know yourself so well, TK! Good for you! eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #87

Folks are not doing a lot of research into TPP, seem to be accepting of BS. Hoyt Apr 2015 #69

That's why I'm going to research it more, and will listen to President Obama's lovemydog Apr 2015 #71

Yep. That's why I've provided links to the U.S. Trade Representative's site. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #89

Good luck. Hoyt Apr 2015 #90

you do know that the deal will be made public before the vote, and will allow time for the public to still_one Apr 2015 #54

The advisory committees included every major union. Others who had input included universities, Hoyt Apr 2015 #72

what a crock. There's plenty of erudite analysis. The TPA will not fix Nafta cali Apr 2015 #30

+ a whole hell of a lot! Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2015 #101

Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, Orrin Hatch, Heritage, & the RNC say thank you for your support Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #32

Can't find the labor protections zipplewrath Apr 2015 #46

Most likely because they're still in negotiation? BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #57

yes zipplewrath Apr 2015 #117

Then there's no more to discuss with you. You've already made up your mind to distrust BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #118

And you haven't zipplewrath Apr 2015 #119

"TPP will do that." 2banon Apr 2015 #50

Try the U.S. Trade Representative site. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #58

Holy cow! MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #53

Cows are holy? BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #59

They are in India Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #61

Is Manny Indian, then? eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #88

No, but he might be a cow. hifiguy Apr 2015 #99

Good comeback! BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #104

unless he's offering more transparency, very few will be listening nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #9

Here's some transparency - and truth: If TPP fails, NAFTA remains AS IS; unchanged, BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #12

a lot of people we trust are opposing it as well geek tragedy Apr 2015 #13

Yet, you're currently operating from the position of "trust" from those you "trust", BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #19

I'm neither opposed nor in favor right now. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #21

Have you read the analysis? I have, and I now lean in favor of a TPP. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #25

That's the alternative for now. The next Democratic President justiceischeap Apr 2015 #29

Ah. I see a new apologist talking point has been conjured up. It's bullshit propaganda. But it's GoneFishin Apr 2015 #15

GOOD! At least it is some deviation from some of the most well worn bullshit talking points ever TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #47

It must be sort of surreal to have a job where your major responsibility is lying your ass off to GoneFishin Apr 2015 #49

Support what?? We don't know anything officially in writing! dmosh42 Apr 2015 #16

Everything so far negotiated is on the U.S. Trade Representative's site: BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #28

That's more of a broad outline of what the deal is supposed to contain, but not 'specific'. dmosh42 Apr 2015 #35

Yes, yes. Like I said, BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #41

According to what I heard, they want a vote to 'fast track' whatever there is in writing, which... dmosh42 Apr 2015 #43

"Fast Track" means that Congress has a full 90 days to review and either BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #44

Jesus wept. WilliamPitt Apr 2015 #17

Oh for fuck's sake. Get a grip. YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #62

Pretty good drama is right, but I have to tell you Will is a good writer so he knows the buttons still_one Apr 2015 #66

Another attempt to cast all criticism of Obama as racism. merrily Apr 2015 #79

Attempting to paint this as having anything to do with race is just fucking offensive. AzDar Apr 2015 #92

What does Obama's racial make up have to do with this? TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #114

The Democratic base already supports him (not the GOP base, of course) but it makes sense pampango Apr 2015 #22

They don't trust him on this. cali Apr 2015 #31

They do from the polls I have seen. Are there new ones? n/t pampango Apr 2015 #33

Polls have consistently shown that Americans don't support the TPP cali Apr 2015 #34

True. Only the Democratic base does support it. republicans and independents do not. n/t pampango Apr 2015 #37

Future Presidents have to win people who are not in the present Democratic base n/t betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #48

...which was the whole point of the much reviled "Third Way" Democrats YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #63

That presumes they're honest betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #70

As always the question is: Do we attract independents and republicans by adopting their policies or pampango Apr 2015 #73

I think corporate dictatorship is right wing. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #94

Agreed but you said we "have to win people who are not in the present Democratic base". How pampango Apr 2015 #95

I don't think advocating progressive policies to appeal to independents is ever a bad thing. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #97

You really don't have to "advocate progressive policies" to them. On TPP they are already 'progressive'. pampango Apr 2015 #98

Who says I respect self described conservatives betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #102

I didn't say that. You only posted that you don't respect the Democratic base, not the you did pampango Apr 2015 #103

So why is it the Republicans who are backing it? eridani Apr 2015 #81

"Republicans" (their base) are not supporting it. republican politicians are supporting it. pampango Apr 2015 #85

And another attempt to cast all criticism of Obama as Republican. merrily Apr 2015 #80

IF I ever posted that "all criticism of Obama is Republican", I will go back and delete it. pampango Apr 2015 #82

Hence "cast" rather than "state." merrily Apr 2015 #83

"Subjective interpretation" rather than "declarative statement". n/t pampango Apr 2015 #86

And if his base is as smart as they believe themselves to be, they'll listen. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #24

absolute bull cali Apr 2015 #36

What President Obama says on this does not matter, what does matter is what is in the agreement still_one Apr 2015 #60

AS a member of his base, just let me say: 99Forever Apr 2015 #40

As a member of "his" base I promise this. I am watching. Autumn Apr 2015 #42

republicans are watching their politicians even more closely than we are. pampango Apr 2015 #75

Does the base include the US Chamber of Commerce, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Orin Hatch neverforget Apr 2015 #51

LMFAO ...sad ...very sad. Don't expect much support from the under the bus crowd. L0oniX Apr 2015 #55

I find it hilarious he gives a speech to Organizing for Action and actually says Autumn Apr 2015 #91

^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #93

I know that part of his base this morning nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #67

From what I've read here and other places, I don't think he'll get much support lovemydog Apr 2015 #74

Just think... sendero Apr 2015 #84

Nope. Nae. Never. hifiguy Apr 2015 #100

They'll end up doing whatever the hell they want... Contrary1 Apr 2015 #108

That's not going to work imo. Rex Apr 2015 #109

Sorry, Mr. President, I'm not buying it. nt City Lights Apr 2015 #112