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RobinA

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Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:25 AM

Apr 2015

has very little that seems accurate. Have whites left the Democratic Party in "droves?" I don't know, I'd need to see some numbers.

"the party has moved to the left, pushed by an Obama-led coalition of young people, minorities, and socially liberal whites"?????

On what planet did this happen? Certainly not the one I inhabit. DOMA is a bad example of any leftward march. Gay marriage was a hot button issue because the Right made it one. When it looked politically advantageous to be against it, many Dem politicians were against it (Clinton(s), Obama...). This was a "move right." When it became clear that Joe Average Voter wasn't losing sleep over the possibility of gays marrying and there was a well organized lobby in favor, Dem politicians switched sides (Clinton(s), Obama...) It had nothing to do with a leftward change of direction. Their position against it originally was political expedience. Coming back in favor was just a correction once they read the tea leaves (also know as polls). I have no doubt that no Clinton and no Obama had to "move left" to embrace gay marriage. Except as a political posiiton.

And citing the mega-flucky Al Gore situation doesn't prove anything. Al Gore ran a crap campaign, which put him in the position of being knocked out by a hanging Florida chad delivered by a disturbingly political Supreme Court.

That said, Hilary needs to run as Hilary while using Bill as the campaign asset he is.

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Burying Bill - Clinton that is... [View all] Agschmid Apr 2015 OP

There are several insurmountable obstacles and Bill is just one of them. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1

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Maybe it's best to let people speak for themselves. I'm one of those who supported Obama and I won't sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #16

The first best advice to a job applicant: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #68

Would love to see that, but we know that's never gonna happen. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #100

Stellar advice Sabrina davidpdx Apr 2015 #135

Unanimous jury vote to leave NYC's post merrily Apr 2015 #21

Censorship is un-Democratic Octafish Apr 2015 #46

Well put Octa davidpdx Apr 2015 #136

The purge is on. n/t 99Forever Apr 2015 #137

Alert stalking and attempts to stop opposition, yes. Whether it becomes a purge depends on merrily Apr 2015 #150

I don't kid myself. 99Forever Apr 2015 #158

I don't kid myself on this issue, either. merrily Apr 2015 #176

She has a following greater than any other candidate's. pnwmom Apr 2015 #29

Well of course she's more popular with them. She's white. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #55

Nice to see others disagree with skip on this one. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #60

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #99

You're bragging that she supposedly captured the whites who left the Dem Party over Obama? merrily Apr 2015 #122

Really she has? davidpdx Apr 2015 #138

As opposed to people who are basing their opinions on their opinions. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #174

Since she hasn't decided how she wants to define herself all we can go on is her past record davidpdx Apr 2015 #175

When I was a kid growing up in exurban Florida I loved "rasslin" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #50

I like rasslin, too! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #56

Just so's ya know, you leave this board Autumn Apr 2015 #93

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Yeah, we might need it Autumn Apr 2015 #95

You can have their Clenis when you pry it from their cold, dead hands. n/t Orsino Apr 2015 #181

Bill Clinton never supported DOMA. The republicans BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #2

Tell me more. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #3

Ken Starr? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #4

Pretty damn disgusting crap for a Democratic board. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #6

It certainly happened, but what an odd way to bring it up? Agschmid Apr 2015 #7

I know, I can't believe people give him a break on so many things and that one thing especially. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8

I don't think he was given "a break"... Agschmid Apr 2015 #10

No, not given a break. I refer to his fans who may want to underplay the significance of it. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #11

Phony puritanical nonsense AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #14

Someone should point out their affair started when she showed him her thong... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #51

Would you say that about a CEO who had sex with his intern? former9thward Apr 2015 #54

If they both want to AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #96

Well the EEOC has a different opinion. former9thward Apr 2015 #110

No, it isn't. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #130

No it isn't AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #164

"She pressured him" former9thward Apr 2015 #178

"Adults have sex. You may not approve, but it happens every day." Until you're the victim. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #61

She instigated it AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #97

"She instigated it" That's classic blame the victim ya got right there. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #101

She instigated all of it AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #104

Not what she admitted. merrily Apr 2015 #120

Not when she was an adult at the time of sound mind, and she actually DID instigate it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #124

Maybe... RobinA Apr 2015 #153

Right you are. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #28

I wish I was a mind reader safeinOhio Apr 2015 #32

Your smugness is unbelievable, its like a parody sometimes. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #39

Creative Fristian-style diagnoses... LanternWaste Apr 2015 #47

Tell us about the xmas card list AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #13

You know, Larry Flynt catches a lot of shit from some people around here... Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #24

Does he? I haven't seen any posts here condemning Flynt for his stand on the impeachment. merrily Apr 2015 #26

There hasn't really been a ton of discussion of the Clinton impeachment in general here Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #38

If you missed it, why did you post that he catches a lot of shit here? merrily Apr 2015 #139

I was talking about Larry Flynt. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #144

So was I. I haven't seen Flynt catch a lot of shit here. merrily Apr 2015 #145

You've been here since 2012, huh? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #148

Jail? They were both adults. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #22

But only one of them was an employer and only one of them committed perjury on national TV,, being merrily Apr 2015 #27

But, only one person forgave him. safeinOhio Apr 2015 #33

"Christian" is not the word I would have chosen. merrily Apr 2015 #121

I was thinking, in a Betty Bowers way. safeinOhio Apr 2015 #152

I suspected. merrily Apr 2015 #154

Okay, first off, he didn't "commit perjury on national tv". He lied on national tv, which is not the Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35

Perjury is a jury question. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #53

There was no perjury. That was a Right Wing Noise Machine claim. The judge dismissed that case on sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #71

I agree...This is like re-litigating the O J case again and again./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #72

That is why I used the phrase "arguments were made"..etc Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #74

Not one, but two courts held he lied under oath. merrily Apr 2015 #126

He did commit perjury on national TV. His testimony, under oath, was televised. merrily Apr 2015 #112

That's not the same thing. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #113

He committed perjury. That is what he was impeached for, perjury. What are you quibbling about? merrily Apr 2015 #115

The House of Representatives is not a court of law. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #118

He was also disbarred for lying under oath and that did involve a court proceeding. merrily Apr 2015 #119

Whatever. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #123

Perjury by a sitting POTUS is not a "whatever" for me. merrily Apr 2015 #127

Which was an excuse for an extended fishing expedition. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #128

Regardless, no one forced him to lie under oath. Paula Jones did not consent to anything. merrily Apr 2015 #129

Right, and she was pretty clearly manipulated from the get-go by right wingers with an agenda. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #132

How does that negate that he, a lawyer and sitting POTUS, chose perjury? merrily Apr 2015 #133

If she was a pawn or manipulated, I think it throws her claims into question, don't you? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #146

What does that have to do with the court? merrily Apr 2015 #149

... Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #183

America wasn't fooled by the phony puritanism 'impeachment' AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #98

Not sure any actual humping was involved. merrily Apr 2015 #116

It is a generic term for sexual activity AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #161

Not really. It's pretty specific. And, in this case, probably preferable to what occurred. merrily Apr 2015 #163

My Republican brother takes everything literally AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #167

Awww, aren't you just adorable? merrily Apr 2015 #168

And neither on of them... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #105

This. Agschmid Apr 2015 #107

Thank you awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #109

No one said they were. merrily Apr 2015 #114

Are you new here? Do you not have a clue about sexual harassment in the workplace? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #64

Did Monica Lewinsky ever allege that it was sexual harassment? No, sir, she did not. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #75

Harassment does not require allegations NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #78

Hostile workplace to other employees. Consentual or not, it's harassment. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #80

If Ken Starr had had a case for that, he would have pursued it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #82

Lewinsky did get favorable treatment marshall Apr 2015 #142

Well said. And the impacts of these affairs is felt by coworkers in that hostile workplace. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #173

"If anyone else does it, we want them in jail but if Bill does it, no problemo? " NCTraveler Apr 2015 #63

I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO EVER HAD ORAL SEX OUTSIDE THE SANCTITY OF A CHRIST-CENTRIC MARRIAGE Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #88

Post o' the Day!!! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #9

Yeah, ole Bill! Such a good old boy! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #12

He is charming. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #15

"And those who have nothing of substance to say" AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #19

By all accounts, Nixon never cheated on Pat. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #36

Actually DURHAM D Apr 2015 #40

Right. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #43

this post should be hidden JI7 Apr 2015 #70

Why, if it's historically accurate? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #87

Teddy White who covered every election from 48 to 84 said... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #58

Truman is a fascinating figure. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #76

Isn't there a joke about Bess burning all his love letters? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #79

If so, I've never heard it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #84

Which doesn't mean he knew of infidelity in every other instance. merrily Apr 2015 #147

Of course DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #156

Actually, it isn't. merrily Apr 2015 #157

Google an individual president's name and affair and make up your own mind. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #162

What makes you think I haven't made up my own mind? merrily Apr 2015 #165

And he loved dogs. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #106

Perhaps, just a LITTLE TOO MUCH Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #111

I'll say this: If all the pro-Hillary people have to run on are empty platitudes and "inevitability" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #37

I Know a woman who met him at a 96 fund raiser DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #57

I know, some of us just have that gift. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #86

Thank you! Thank You! AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #18

Ha ha! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #20

Yeah no kidding LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #67

He did not have to sign it. He did not disavow it, either, until the Obama administration. merrily Apr 2015 #17

Absolutely spot on, thank you a million times over. closeupready Apr 2015 #52

You're most welcome. merrily Apr 2015 #117

Thank you for clarifying this matter. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #69

DOMA is a legitimate criticism of Bill Clinton. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #89

But why do the Republicans hate him? Mnpaul Apr 2015 #91

They bagged a majority in the house of representatives because of redistricting & political reality. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #92

He's a Democrat. They're Republicans. It's part of the game. merrily Apr 2015 #134

Thank you for the needed history lesson -- too many people seem to have forgotten that context pnwmom Apr 2015 #30

Also, marriage equality was not the focus of DURHAM D Apr 2015 #41

Somewhat true, & though I detest BC's GLBT record, closeupready Apr 2015 #177

He took out ads on small market Christian radi stations CanadaexPat Apr 2015 #34

Yes DURHAM D Apr 2015 #42

That election gave us some good jokes. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #44

He not only supported DOMA but bragged about it in radio ads in his reelection campaign. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #103

Certainly, the pro-drug war shit has got to go. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #23

lol, Hillary doesn't give clear answers on anything until it's thoroughly poll tested. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #102

Hillary runs to the right of Obama, and LOSES. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #25

Whoever wrote this.. sendero Apr 2015 #31

I thought he was brilliant at making up facts, sans citation. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #45

That was then and this is now. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #48

Like Al Gore did? No she shouldn't... Clinton was a good president, the two Bush's were horrible... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #49

Clinton was just a "fair" president. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #59

No he was not, all inclusive with progressive legislation he was good... not FDR not JFK but good... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #65

Telecommunications Act, Repeal of Glass Steagall, ending "welfare as we know it" NAFTA, DOMA, DADT. merrily Apr 2015 #155

Good /= perfect, and overall is whole picture not 5% out 95% uponit7771 Apr 2015 #191

Bill Clinton was personally responsible for the SUV? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #85

Yes, he was. His failure to utter so much as a peep about it proves it. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #171

Your post is funny. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #185

What do those lines actually mean? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #125

Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards hold auto industry to fuel average fuel economy stds NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #170

Hmmm, actually reading that, I'm not sure I was calling my truck by the right name. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #172

Hillary is very smart. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #62

I can't believe this thread. The point of the whole OP was that Hillary would do well to turn her jwirr Apr 2015 #66

I'm amazed that some people here are still flogging the clenis outrage Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #77

Clinton created a hostile workplace environment and would have lost his job in the private sector... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #81

No, I don't "need to read up on" anything, prof. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #83

He isn't the only President in history to have had affairs justiceischeap Apr 2015 #90

Who says we don't have the same feeling about their infidelities? merrily Apr 2015 #159

They're just as relevant as Clinton's affair justiceischeap Apr 2015 #160

That is clearly not true. merrily Apr 2015 #166

How is it clearly not true? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #169

It's clearly not true that FDR's affair is just as relevant to Hillary's run as Bill's affair. merrily Apr 2015 #179

The point of the matter, no one should give two shits about Bill's affair justiceischeap Apr 2015 #180

That's one view. merrily Apr 2015 #182

Only if Monica had filed a complaint BainsBane Apr 2015 #184

Right, why bother to talk to me directly, when you can find out everything I think from YOU! Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #186

I'm so over that shit, Warren BainsBane Apr 2015 #187

Well, then why do you drop into random threads to ascribe shit to me that I've never said? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #188

I think maybe I'll try it some time. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #190

I feel you... didn't go the way I thought it would. Agschmid Apr 2015 #108

Well put davidpdx Apr 2015 #143

I see Bill Clinton as an asset to a Hillary Clinton Presidency liberal N proud Apr 2015 #131

I do, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #189

The article is delusional AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #140

Good, bad, or indifferent. 99Forever Apr 2015 #141

This Article RobinA Apr 2015 #151